In November, the UN Human Rights Office said its analysis showed close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children .
We should just be doing the same with Israeli headlines “Genocidal warmongers claim X”
Hamas has proven more reliable than the IDF.
While they are trying to pretend Hamas is a one terrorist thing, in reality it’s an organized resistance group. They have diplomat, ministers, and army, since they are on their own. The health ministry worker have to be working under hamas because hamas won the election which make sense if you look at PLO horrible history of corruption in west bank.
These colonization news aim to pretend the number are not accurate. But the fact is this is confirm dead, ignoring missing people or those under rebel.
If a peace talk continue, there will be push for more war crime investigation and the accurate number will show up. which for a state that shows they are a save heaven for jew and pedo, and tax evading corp might not be good.
The British medical Journal “The Lancet” estimated 100,000-250,000 dead and that was last year.
This is a genocide and corporate Western media is complicit.
The BBC is run by Zionists like Robbie Gibb and Raffi Berg. They are deliberately downplaying the deaths.
That estimate has turned out to be wrong. Even the author of the lancet piece distanced themselves from it.
Hamas has every reason to present a high death toll. There have been several adjustments of the numbers as well over time.
They estimate another 10k buried under the rubble.
The number of deaths has only been increasing slowly for months.
Also notable is that Hamas and the other militants have not released a number of dead combatants.
There’s enough proven death and destruction. Clinging on to false number from the Lancet is just spreading misinformation and doesn’t help Palestinians.
Why was that BBC article even linked? It’s from November last year and the numbers have changed since.
Yeah this is Hasbara propaganda. Nobody has dismissed the Lancet as wrong except Zionists and their lackeys.
The zionist colony has been signalling genocidal intent for 18 months and has levelled Gaza with massacres every day but apparently the death count is overstated?
There’s a reason the Zios have murdered over 300 journalists. So that bots can spread doubt about the number of the dead.
Come the fuck on are we back to the “Hamas-run” nonsense again? Eat shit BBC.
“Hcccccchhhhhhamas-run”
Why is it nonsense? Hamas has been the government in Gaza for twenty years and ran a pretty authoritarian and harsh regime. There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.
You can look it up, but short of it is that the Gaza Health Ministry’s casualty numbers are very accurate and have been used by pretty much everyone since 2007, including Israel. Whenever the UN tries to count independently their numbers match up with Ministry numbers. If anything the Ministry’s numbers are an undercount because they’re only people who have been confirmed as directly killed by the IDF by a doctor in a hospital. People who simply weren’t counted for whatever reason (usually because Israel destroyed all hospitals in the area), as well as people who starve or die to disease, are not included. This is, by the way, why estimations of the true casualty number by are always more than the official number and never less.
There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.
It seems the will of Hamas is to have rock-solid casualty numbers that even the most rabidly Zionist can’t criticize, because if there was even a small overestimation (let alone fabrication) anywhere Israel would use that to discredit the casualty numbers and Zionists in the West will lap it up. I mean they tried anyway, but because the methodology leaves no room for criticism they got shut down pretty quickly.
Yes, their numbers are the best available. The health ministry has adjusted and corrected their numbers at times though. They increase the total number reported quickly just from media reports. Over time they document individual deaths, identify bodies, and so on. So there’s a constant mismatch of reported deaths snd documented the deaths. Over time this gap closes though.
Deaths from starvation are included. They amounted to two dozen or so, last time I checked.
Bad health care conditions of course increase the likelihood of deaths from preexisting chronic diseases, treatable diseases or injury, and so on. So the elderly and the very young are more susceptible to dying than during peacetime. AFAIK this excess mortality isn’t typically counted towards civilian casualties in wars.
So far there have been no epidemics documented, that resulted in high numbers of deaths. The Polio epidemic has one documented case and resulted in a ceasefire with a big vaccination drive.
So these estimates of 180,000 are not backed up by hard data as of now.
The health ministry does not distinguish between combatant and civilian deaths. Additionally people shot by Hamas for espionage/treason or other crimes are not listed separately.
Israel has bombed every hospital in Gaza, it’s no surprise that it’s becoming increasingly impossible to count the dead. Direct deaths refer to those killed by ammunition and bombs, indirect deaths are still entirely due to the genocide. Israel’s targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure is deliberate and systemic.
Human Shields
Hamas:
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
Israel:
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:
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Including Children (2013 Report)
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Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds 2024
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Breaking The Silence - Testimonies from IDF Veterans
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
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‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
Gaza has been a concentration camp under Israeli occupation for the last 20 years
De-development via the Gaza Occupation
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
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Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.
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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
- Amnesty International Report pg 26-27
I’m enjoying how the obvious rebuttal to this stupid propaganda talking point is now so widespread I don’t have to say it anymore.
Bibi has been the head of the government in Israel for twenty something years and ran a pretty rightwing and harsh genocidal apartheid regime.
You should preface your title with “Israel-run BBC”
More than 100 BBC staff accuse broadcaster of Israel bias in Gaza coverage
BBC is accused by Zionists all the time to be biased against them.
And as we know, every Israeli accusation is a confession.
The BBC reports things both sides find inconvenient for their narrative.
That must be why more than BBC staff members notice the overwhelming pro-Israel bias.
The deaths are much much higher. The IDF targets healthcare employees same as journalists. Can’t count if you’re dead I guess. World’s most moral army, they said.
The article is from November.
Yeah, no way the number is that low.
The letter in the Lancet gave an estimate that comes to 23,000 dead per month in addition to the official registered killings.
It’s only the dead that can be named or found, there must be thousands more still stuck in all the rubble. A letter published by The Lancet even established that the death count could go as high as 186 000.
We will never now the true extent until it’s far too late.
Yeah, of course. The number was basically static for months after all hospitals were rendered inoperable, as that’s where the counting was done. Probably part of the reason they were targeted.
What an i missing? They also call it Hamas-run ministry in this article
Hamas run ministry 🤣🤣
Literally the first paragraph:
The UN’s Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.
Also see the only other comment when you posted this: https://lemmy.world/comment/15951331
I guess the BBC insisting on stating “Hamas-run” in its titles related to this conflict is not about partiality or transparency but rather create a false equivalence with the armed forces. It’s an oversimplification aimed at creating a certain narrative, and based on multiple sources it’s a policy of theirs not to display “bias” against israel.
I didn’t get the impression that the other commenter was laughing about BBC’s use of the term.
I assumed they were doubting the health ministry’s reliability/accuracy, but maybe I’ve just become jaded after dealing with so many Zionazis online.
Fair point, It could be. Just know that, in any case, my comment was not directed towards yours.
I only used this opportunity to further explain my perspective regarding BBC coverage, that I wasn’t endorsing any kind of whitewashing.
Oh I understood that, but thanks for making it explicit. Very few larger media outlets have covered Palestine fairly unfortunately.
And the title of the article?
Your comment did not make clear what you found funny, but having come across so many similar comments before I assumed it was that the data was not reliable due to it being the “Hamas-run health ministry”.
If you found the continued use of that term by the BBC funny, then my previous comment is irrelevant.
Yes, i thought that’s what happened. No worries
Thanks for clearing that up haha. It’s hard not to be a pessimist on the internet.
