The girls ā who were detained in shopping centres, classes and street markets ā were accused of āspreading and encouraging others to wear a bad hijabā and wearing makeup.
A 16-year old said she was arrested by the Taliban along with a number of other girls at her English language class and pulled into a police truck. She said girls who confronted the men and refused to go were beaten, while she was lashed on her feet and legs when trying to reason with them. Her father was later badly beaten for āraising immoral girlsā.
I encourage anyone who cares about this to travel to Afghanistan themselves and see it with their own eyes before relying on what publications like the Guardian have to say about it. One thing about the article that is probably not true is the claim that the girls were labeled āinfidelsā by the state. Why this claim is suspicious is that there is no word for āinfidelā in the languages spoken in Afghanistan. The closest equivalent would be Ś©Ų§ŁŲ± (kafir), which can refer to someone who isnāt Muslim, but not wearing hijab is not considered to be any kind of proof that someone is not a Muslim. Itās highly doubtful that they were excommunicated for this.
The guardian claims that the government in Afghanistan mandates that women must be covered āfrom head to toe, revealing only their eyesā, which is clearly not true. When I was in Kabul I saw many women without their faces covered. This is one clear case where the Guardian gets facts on the ground wrong. A lot of women there are wearing surgical masks as a form of face covering that also doubles as protection from pollution and disease. As the girl quoted in the article said, they are doing this as a āprecautionā, in other words, the government doesnāt in fact require face covering, but they are doing it anyway because they think they have to.
The article implies that girls were specifically targeted for going to English class, as if they have an issue with learning English. Government officials themselves also go to English classes, so that in and of itself was not a relevant matter to the story.
As for them getting beaten for āconfronting the menā, of course you are going to get beaten if you resist arrest or argue. Thatās true in most countries, but particularly in Afghanistan the authorities tend to hit people if they are not compliant.
The other issue is that the rule in Afghanistan is not well developed or consolidated, which means that these men who committed these acts like the beatings and arrests were acting outside the law, and the central government doesnāt necessarily support this action. Because of the rudimentary form of government different local elements of the Taliban can act differently or independently, so what the spokesperson quoted in the article said about this being unusual was probably telling the truth. This was only one incident, and hopefully it wonāt be repeated elsewhere.
You start off strong then move straight to supporting the fucking Taliban, as if thatās a reasonable position to take.
I agree, the article is likely highly sensationalized, but letās be clear the Taliban are a piece of shit government with extremely regressive and repressive views. Maybe this shit doesnāt happen in Kabul, but Kabul seems bad enough that women can only show their faces and most are even too afraid to do that. That shows you that itās a TERRIBLE place to start with even in the best places. Unfortunately many people donāt live in Kabul and it seems that the government isnāt going to do anything to stop regional authorities from abusing their power and any young woman they can get their hands on.
Donāt travel to Afghanistan. Every dollar that goes to Afghanistan supports religious oppression.
Your whole post was already getting into a questionable defense of Afghanistanās bullshit, but then you start defending police brutality and violence against women as something that is ātrue in most countriesā? Youāve already lost me and probably most of the community here.
Sure, Iāll just travel to places to verify the source every time when I consume news. Thatās reasonable!
So first you claim itās all lies and didnāt happen, only to follow with āThis was only one incident, and hopefully it wonāt be repeated elsewhereā? Which one is it then?
@lisko
Such incidents happen often in Afghanistan, and mostly against women. The central government bans girls from education, just to name another example.
There is another article by CBS quoting representatives of the central government:
Source (emphasis mine)
Addition: a few more āincidentsā can be found across the web, some samples are at HRWās website on Afghanistan.
You really defending the Taliban?
Cope harder.