that is just sad. yet so many will say sexism does not exist
Pretty sure racism is also involved
Intersectionality
It’s as if, like, if you are a woman, and also in a disfavoured racial category, like, where they, uh, have overlap? Where they meet? It’s not the same as either one individually but its own, I guess nexus? I feel like there’s a better word for this
There’s a somewhat niche, but clever word for this particular combo - misogynoir
Coined by Moya Bailey in 2010
I think it’s called a “double minority”, but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho (edit: not a minority in the context of being 50% of the human population) so I don’t know if theres a better term than that.
I feel bad for people who are black, lesbian, neurodivergent, and trans-woman… like that’s a quadruple minority.
but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho
It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority.
The term is “intersectionality”. Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over “woke”.
but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho
They certainly are in computer science
That’s not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there’s more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but ‘double minority’ gets the point across.
idk the point of your snark… people are still figuring out intersectionality. just give some education or stfu, dont condescend to people who are making an effort.
@ReiRose@lemmy.world has it right, the term and idea is intersectionality.
apropos of nothing, intersectionality came out of critical race theory’s analyses of black womens outcomes in the legal system. the particular combination of oppression is literally the textbook example.
The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early.
I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, “I’ll show you what I can do”.
Here’s hard data to match your experience:
“This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women’s contributions tend to be accepted more often than men’s. However, women’s acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless.”
That’s probably just because women are smarter than men.
This is also common in the guitar community. Some women can shred like mofos, and here comes Jim-Bob McGraw saying their playing is tracked etc., ad nauseum
Can… Can I be the one sitting in that chair? (｡♡‿♡｡)
Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations?
Yeah, online gaming has all but confirmed to me that sexism is very alive and well.
If she were a man, she’d be calling herself a polymath and everybody would be agreeing with her.
Even more rage inducing these comments would be the same if she wasn’t conventionally attractive.
Fucking programmers need a solid clip around the ear.
I was so glad we had a woman join our dev team some months ago. It’s more fun, more relaxed and we are able to get better results as we just cover a wider area of skills. People gatekeeping programming to include only men are idiots.
That poor girl. My gf’s only female teammate quit last month and i suggested she start grinding leetcode asap. Could you imagine being the only woman on a team? Pretty strong indicator that something is very wrong there.
If we want to reach parity, there’s gotta be some only woman at first.
It’s the same thing with any kind of diversity. Not an expert, but anecdotally, it seems to work better if you start adding diversity at the top. At least people at the senior+ level are generally more comfortable being outliers.
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Eh, my team is this way, but it’s because we’re aerospace adjacent which further compounds the problem. The only woman on our team is awesome and everyone gets along great. No one has an inflated ego or feels the need to one up each other though, which tends to be the root of the issue in my experience. Lots of tech bros feel the need to put others down, and see women as an easier target unfortunately.
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I think they meant men in specific in this case. I don’t know that there’s a huge problem of women being sexist against other women in tech.
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Tbf, the original photo was already discounting her abilities. Saying “can program code” for a lead SWE is saying like “can do calculus” for a physicist.
In their defense, maybe the post was written by some journalist with no technical background at all and doesn’t know the difference.
Very much so. Many non-technical people are still very much in awe when someone drops names of programming languages. And it kinda makes sense. If they have no idea, they naturally equate it to spoken languages. And if someone goes like “I speak these 7 languages”, most people would be mightily impressed.
But if you know a few programming languages, adding another similar one might be a matter of hours.
And that list of languages in the article is pretty standard for a BS in CS: a bunch of standard, common languages and one assembly language.
Likely they covered MIPS assembly at university. MIPS is a comparatively simple architecture and thus is used a lot in CS courses.
The thing here is, if they really wanted to show off that she’s got a good carreer and doing something remarkable, they could have just done what she did in her comment. List her current position and maybe her education.
I’d not be very happy if someone were to present my skills and achivements as “Can use these programming languages”.
Also, once you’re moderately good at programming, language doesn’t matter much. You can pick up a new high level language relatively easily if needed. Low level languages might be harder for some people though, because it takes a fairly different mindset. Personally, I love low level programming, though it’s not very time efficient to write.
Yeah, once you’ve got a few languages under your belt, it’s all about concepts. If you end up learning a new language that follows completely different paradigms, you are back to square one. But most of the time you can go like “Ah, so concept X of the new language works similar to concept Y of that language I already know.”
This is some good shit. As a white American male, I say: fuck sexism and racism. You go, girl.
You know what. Good on her. Proud of her doing what she loves. You go girl!
A hello world in MIPS is impressive by itself.
can program code
Such a weird sentence
I’d be impressed by anyone who could “Hello, world” in MIPS
She a boss fr
Whenever I see someone taking down these absolute bottom of the barrel incel dork on social media, it just feels like shoo-ing a squirrel off the bird feeder. Just not even worth taking action
How the hell does she program in mips? I thought that was a unit of measurement
Those guys are pathetic
Am I the only one that doesn’t think it’s a waste if a gorgeous person does modeling/acting? If I had a body people wanted to ogle I would be using that power 24/7 instead of sitting here in a shitty office under fluorescent lights pretending to care about work while they pretend to care about me.
841st fastest growing company in the us
Weird flex, but ok
So is “I have X points on Stack Overflow”.
Also, I’m on the iOS tutorial team for somethingorother.com.
27k points on SO is respectable. I’ve got 20k and that wasn’t easy. There are shortcuts, but to find those you’ve also got to be clever.
Nope, not really.
Ain’t to many shitposts on stackoverflow and the raywenderlich website is one of the best ios programming resources. This shit is respectable.
It’s almost like they don’t know who Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, Radia Perlman, etc. are.
Programming began as a solely female profession. In the early days of computers mathematics viewed programming as beneath them so it was relegated to women. Before computers they performed complex calculations by hand and those number crunchers were women, so when number crunchers were replaced with computers the best women graduated to programming those instead. If course once it became clear that programming was much more versatile and transformative than just converting math equations into instructions, men just took it and kicked women out of the industry. It’s not just the big female names that are being ignored here, it’s an entire history and industry that was stolen from women that is being ignored.
“G-GU-GUH?!?! NO, HOW COULD THIS BE?!?!? A FEMAIL GURL? IN MY PRO-GRAMMING COMMUNITY? PRO-GRAMMING IS 4 MANLY STRAIGHT WHITE MALES LIKE ALAN TURING (lol), ADAM LOVELACE, AND GRAYSON HOPPER”
