I didn’t mind the idea of Snoke. A power vacuum means someone else moves in. He didn’t even have to be the rumored Plagueis, just someone connected or whatever. Create a new lore that makes sense.
But then he just died. Not even in a fight, but through arrogant ignorance. He could see Kylo’s thoughts before, but somehow missed that he was being played? Stupid writing. I’m actually still a fan of TFA, and will defend what it was trying to do, but the other two movies can rot.
I maintain that killing Snoke as a red herring could be fine, too. I find a tragically irredeemable Kylo Ren to be much more interesting than tall skinny emperor anyway. But even if one didn’t like TLJ, TROS was almost the worst possible way to follow it up. It satisfied no one.
I was convinced that they were setting up Kylo as the big bad, I can’t think of the last time Star Wars had a tragic, irredeemable villain. It could have worked really well.
I like what they were going for in TFA with kind of an inverse Luke Skywalker, where he was struggling with the “pull” to the Light, before fully committing himself by killing his Master in TLJ. Then whatever the fuck TROS was happened and none of that really worked anymore.
Killing Snoke was the right move. Nobody needed a lame Palpatine ripoff, focusing the story on the characters that actually matter (Rey/Kylo) was the right decision. The problem was that the third movie needed to build on this idea, and on the other major idea that TLJ introduced (that the war was started by weapons manufacturers for profit), not completely throw them out the window and start over from scratch.
I didn’t mind the idea of Snoke. A power vacuum means someone else moves in. He didn’t even have to be the rumored Plagueis, just someone connected or whatever. Create a new lore that makes sense.
But then he just died. Not even in a fight, but through arrogant ignorance. He could see Kylo’s thoughts before, but somehow missed that he was being played? Stupid writing. I’m actually still a fan of TFA, and will defend what it was trying to do, but the other two movies can rot.
I maintain that killing Snoke as a red herring could be fine, too. I find a tragically irredeemable Kylo Ren to be much more interesting than tall skinny emperor anyway. But even if one didn’t like TLJ, TROS was almost the worst possible way to follow it up. It satisfied no one.
I was convinced that they were setting up Kylo as the big bad, I can’t think of the last time Star Wars had a tragic, irredeemable villain. It could have worked really well.
I like what they were going for in TFA with kind of an inverse Luke Skywalker, where he was struggling with the “pull” to the Light, before fully committing himself by killing his Master in TLJ. Then whatever the fuck TROS was happened and none of that really worked anymore.
Killing Snoke was the right move. Nobody needed a lame Palpatine ripoff, focusing the story on the characters that actually matter (Rey/Kylo) was the right decision. The problem was that the third movie needed to build on this idea, and on the other major idea that TLJ introduced (that the war was started by weapons manufacturers for profit), not completely throw them out the window and start over from scratch.