Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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    Yā€™all, with Proton enshittifying (scribe and wallet nonsense), I think I am never going to sign up for another all-in-one service like this. Now I gotta determine what to do about:

    • Proton Mail
    • Proton VPN
    • Proton Drive
    • Proton Calendar

    and Iā€™d be forced to reassess my password manager if hadnā€™t already been using BitWarden when Proton Pass came out.

    Self-hosting is a non-starter (too lazy to remember a new password for my luggage). Any thoughts? Are other Proton users here jumping ship? Should I just resign myself to using Proton until they eventually force some stupid ass ā€œChatbot will look at the contents of your Drive and tell you which authorities to surrender yourself toā€?

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      I am no tech expert but I use tuta for email and disroot for forms, pads and file sharing.

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      For VPNs, at least, I can offer some suggestions. If you wanted to securely access a specific box or network of yours, tailscale is pretty great and very painless to use. If you wanted to do stuff without various folk noticing then thatā€™s a bit trickier but Iā€™ve been happy using mullvadā€¦ theyā€™re not the cheapest, though they have some splendid anonymous payment mechanisms (you can literally mail them a wad of banknotes with a magic code on a bit of paperā€¦ you donā€™t even need to muck about with bitcoin).

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        I have a subscription for Private Internet Access that I was using before subscribing to Proton Mail (which comes with Proton VPN). I figured it was all the same (they all have a slightly skeezy feel to me).

        Then I checked out Mullvadā€™s website and itā€™s really quite awesome. Everything about their service has a ā€œwe want to make this accessible to everyoneā€ vibe, which I appreciate. I am going to try it out. <3

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      also, how are you liking bitwarden?

      I really need to kill off my current password manager and bitwardenā€™s looking like the least worst of current options (esp. when paired with something like vaultwarden instead of running a fucking nodejs sync server on the internet), but also some of it seems quite stunted[0]

      itā€™s gotten so bad that Iā€™ve started pondering writing my own, because good god does basically every option out there depress me

      [0] - no global hotkeys? the fuck

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        also, how are you liking bitwarden?

        I am happy with it. That they only charge $10 a year for services I donā€™t even need (I could use a separate 2FA app) and allow you to self-host is a good sign. I plan to eventually set up a workflow in Sway (Wayland tiling WM) with a CLI tool (e.g. https://crates.io/crates/rbw, or the official one), so the interface is not terribly important to me. I would definitely recommend trying a free account to see if it fits into your workflow.

        itā€™s gotten so bad that Iā€™ve started pondering writing my own, because good god does basically every option out there depress me

        I am in the same boat, except all of the software Iā€™ve ever written has been TeX, or giving contrived examples to undergrads to demonstrate why dp[i][j] is a shit table name or why āˆž is better than float('inf') or MAX_INT in pseudocode. So I am only theoretically up to the task, which is ā€¦ IDK maybe I should start grifting?

        But for real, I have considered writing my own:

        • VPN client where we donā€™t have to jump through the hoops of learning a new shitty client, or finding out that their client runs like ass in Linux (Proton)
        • Password Manager
        • Config editor, so I donā€™t have to edit /home/${USERNAME}/.config/sway/config.d/90-fuckyou-this-is-where-we-keep-system-suspend-shit.conf every time I want to change something. ā€œOh no you gotta edit the Kanshi config for that one.ā€ Itā€™s tedious to remember where various programs look for the config and whatever particular syntax is chosen (isnā€™t this fucking solved with toml files already?)
        • An Android reminder app that isnā€™t some stupid Taylorist metric-worshipping bullshit.

        PS: There is Goldwarden which I know absolutely nothing about but looks neat. It does suggest that you could just write your own that is bitwarden compatible.

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          I am in the same boat, except all of the software Iā€™ve ever written has been TeX

          Iā€™m sorry

          giving contrived examples to undergrads to demonstrate why dp[i][j] is a shit table name or why āˆž is better than float('inf') or MAX_INT in pseudocode

          that sound you can hear is my despairing screaming[0]

          VPN client where ā€¦ jump through the hoops of learning a new shitty client

          (not a pitch, but multiple commercial references) I really liked how simple tunnelbear made this for a lot, and also quite like how slick the wireguard desktop-style handling is (you can see this for example with fly.ioā€™s integration to that). I think thereā€™s long context here, and if you buy me a beer I could rant in detail

          PS: There is Goldwarden

          oh good, itā€™s in Go, my other code allergy

          shitposting aside, re the password manager thing: @self and I have co-ranted in dms, and about similar gripes.

          so, by way of idea, loose laundry list for foundations/design: modern crypto (jfc why is so much still going ā€œyeah gpg is fineā€), crdt sync, a sane fucking language to build everything on, own-devices friendly (in the ā€œyou can sync device to device peer-wiseā€ sense, vs the ā€œthereā€™s a remote server brokerā€ sense), and pretty okayā„¢ interfaces for client building/extensibility

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            Iā€™m sorry

            me too, also i lied/forgot to mention that my particular PhD situation is so fucked up that i went from pure mathematics to cuda

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                That is a good rule. The GPU programmers seem to think this is good code and that itā€™s well-documented. I am still pretty out of my depth in this field, but it feels so silly to me. There is this historical bullshit about fortran only allowing 5 characters for a function name, and that (combined with some appeal to domain-specific knowledge) is used to justify stupid, freshman level shit like

                if uplo == 'U':
                    # manually fill in this part with the version of the algorithm that is for upper triangular matrices
                else:  # just assume it's always U or L without checking, god forbid you use something modern like an enum, or even just a boolean
                    # manually fill in this part with the version of the algorithm that is for lower triangular matrices
                

                edit: if memory serves, booleans were first discovered in 2011 by John T. Boole, which is why they donā€™t show up in fortran

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          alas: my main workstation is (non-slate) macos, and itā€™s unchangeable for the foreseeable future

          good to know those (already) exist as options, though. if I can find some spoons Iā€™ll try look around and see if thereā€™s maybe something similar I can hack up/agglutinate from whatā€™s around

          Their desktop app is a bit shit anyway

          I havenā€™t even tried it yet because Iā€™m real ā€œehhhhhhhhhhhhhhā€ about even the idea of a js-/ts-based gui client for my password manager. largely because Iā€™ve met too many js/ts devs and I outright donā€™t trust their competence and processes. so your post is definite motivation for me to eyeball some of the other clients too

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      last time it came up, tuta was the least worst of the mail options. itā€™s not the same offering as protonā€™s in-garden encrypted, but nothing is afaik. rest of it is pretty okay (I have some (not all[0]) domains on there)

      the rest of the things I donā€™t have a direct recommendation in part because [0] and in part because I donā€™t use computers entirely like how a lot of people do. that said

      storage: backblaze storage pricing is not bad. they might have a desktop app thing? calendar: caldav is a dark art beyond my ken - I havenā€™t even got that shit playing nice on my own things[3]. fuck knows who does this well. vpn: mullvad[1] (has quite recently had another full assessment published). maybe njalla[2]?

      [0] - Iā€™m one of those crotchety fuckers that still has a whole pile of self-hosted things that have been going 15~20y

      [1] - seems okay and to have their head on straight. havenā€™t used myself.

      [2] - also havenā€™t used it myself, comes from some of the folks of the TPB gang

      [3] - admittedly I havenā€™t tried that hard because I donā€™t need it much, but it is extremely goddamn annoying to debug from clients

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      I use Posteo for mail and calendar now (theyā€™re not encrypted between users like Proton but you can just hook it up to any mail client and PGP your shit) .Mail is IMAPS, calendar is CalDAV, contacts are CardDAV, etc. Depending on where you fall on the security-convenience sliding scale, that might be an option. Iā€™ve decided that I care more about portability and standards than super-thick encryption which made me choose them over Tuta, because Tuta offers no way to access the mail over IMAP whatsoever, not even an optional bridge like Proton, and that was a total dealbreaker for me. Posteo also claim theyā€™re 100% green energy which is a nice bonus.

      For drive I use Filen.io now. Theyā€™re relatively new so I canā€™t make any assumptions about how long theyā€™ll be around but the price is fair and they offer lifetime payments too. Also their Linux client is pretty solid and doesnā€™t fucking eat my RAM for breakfast. Theyā€™re also in the process of adding support for rclone as per a GitHub issue Iā€™m following.

      VPN I pretty much donā€™t use because Iā€™ve never felt I needed it, so no recommendations there from me.

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      I was in the exact same boat til recently, but switching off of Proton was actually surprisingly easy even though I had it tied into a bunch of accounts and infrastructure. I actually ended up saving a lot of money compared with Proton Unlimited, and itā€™s a relief to not have all my eggs in one basket, especially since stuff like Protonā€™s no logs policy is effectively worthless, and if youā€™re a whistleblower or similar youā€™re expected to use a VPN or Tor to access your mail every time to keep from being arrestedā€¦ but most likely your VPN (and possibly Tor client) is Proton too if youā€™re paying for it, with the same worthless no logs policy.

      some quick recommendations:

      Proton Mail

      Proton Calendar

      tuta does both of these. their mail is e2e and fine ā€” itā€™s jankier than proton but also less resource-intensive. itā€™s also the only other choice for now :(

      I havenā€™t used their calendar yet, but from a distance it looks good. I should give it a shot sometime soon.

      Proton VPN

      this depends on what youā€™re using your VPN for. actual security? fucked if I know. high bandwidth fuckery? airvpn is pretty good and theyā€™ll let you allocate ports.

      Proton Drive

      tutaā€™s getting this soon apparently. otherwise, I can second Backblaze being very reasonably priced if you donā€™t mind having to choose and set up your own e2e software.

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        Thanks for the suggestions! VPN is mostly to tell my ISP to fuck off. Tuta sounds cool but I am worried about it enshittifying as well. I am relieved to hear that switching from Proton was easy.