Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven’t in decades, but maybe I’d understand if I did nowadays.
I’m not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it’s just giving “brother, eww”. Can’t fully put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don’t stress science literacy, what people didn’t notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn’t read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
The problem is… funding.
But most people have always been science illiterate. It’s just that now we’re (as a a whole) explicitly electing/listening to people who don’t value that literacy either.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
probably like to be their own lawyer too
And then all they do is spout sovereign-citizen bullshit.
Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they’re calling it an animal product. It’s sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it’s ‘‘it cures cancer THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’ Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ‘‘supplements’’ (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I’m not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he’s SURE the Vit C did something. It’s like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ‘‘tire store change tire = 20% lower mph’’ so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’
Tell them that THEY (whoever THEY are) are doing a horrible job of keeping it a secret because every tinfoil twit talks about it.
The vitamin c thing probably comes from Linus Pauling and his promotion of vitamin c megadoses.
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a “fight the man” aura about them there’d be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
I think they’re just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
Vaccines turned me into a newt!
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I got better…
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That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don’t believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
We are all going to die
Yes but californians first
I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.
No it’s not San Andrea’s fault, it’s Capitalism’s
This old earthquake’s gonna put me in the poorhouse.
That’s 2026
Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of “natural” cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would’ve survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
Methylene Blue is also fish medicine. It treats ich.
Yes and it treats fungal infections in tree frogs. I’m not trying to say that these medicines work the way that Gibson is saying they do, but the whole “horse dewormer” talking point is dishonest as it makes it out like these medicines have only a single use. I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever. But anytime someone just throws out these minimizing points as if it’s impossible to use things in more than one way only makes me doubt the validity of their claims.
Having more than one use is irrelevant as to whether it is efficacious and safe in a specific other use.
I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever.
It doesn’t, any more than hitting your patella with a lug wrench treats covid.
Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
Everytime I hear it introduced as “horse dewormer”. The bias is already made clear.
While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can’t do jack shit against cancer… So is OP for acting like it’s not safe for human consumption. It’s safe for consumption even at 10x a “normal” dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg… or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987
It’s 100% safe… and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
TL;DR… While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it… It’s safe for consumption as a general rule.
Bud they’re tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won’t help, and that gets people killed.
People who take medical advice from Trump and Mel Gibson would have been eaten by the Lion anyways.
And lying by stating its for horses in a manner that makes someone assume it’s not for humans at all resolves what?
Because all the people taking it for COVID (and probably trying to cure cancer) were not getting it from the doctor. They were getting it from Farm supply stores . Everyone was calling it horse dewormer because that’s what it was. They were not going to get a prescription. I know because I live amongst these dummies that were asking on Facebook which one to get from the farm supply, what flavor was best, etc.
so you think Mel Gibson‘s friends got their ivermectin from a farm supply store?
I don’t think Mel Gibson has any friends.
Possibly, but probably from one of those dodgy Hollywood doctors who will prescribe anything they want.
It’s very likely off-label use, so maybe.
First you’re going to have to define “they”. The people that I unfortunately live around are part of this “they” group with your implied “all the people taking it for COVID” definition. All of them simply got the pills from Mexico, where you can walk into any farmacia and pick up boxes upon boxes of the stuff for like 1$ per pill. They’re setup for this down there… and talking to them when I was last there nearly 100% of their purchases come from the USA. And just like you, I can link a store, even several!
https://medsmex.com.mx/store/stromectol-ivexterm-ivermectin-6-mg-4-tabs/p-4734.html
https://arecovpharma.com/medications/products-covid-19
https://mexipharmacy.mx/eng/item/3686/veridex-ivermectin-4tab-6mgThis is way more common than your nonsense “well people are ordering from the farm supply store!”
I think either one of two things… You’ve fallen for a troll with your “dummies on Facebook”, or you’re lying, unknowingly or otherwise, in your claim that this is how “everyone” was getting it.
Once again (because it’s apparent that at least half of lemmy is incapable of reading based on the downvotes), I’m not stupid enough to think that Ivermectin does anything useful for COVID-19. But just because you saw 1-2 people on Facebook say something completely fucking dumb doesn’t mean that the whole of people taking the drug are doing it that way, or that the normal non-horse paste version of the medicine is hard to get a hold of. This is literally one of the most by dosage consumed medications of the planet. Very few people are taking the horse paste version of this thing when the pills are so readily available.
And even then… EVEN THEN, so what? Let the idiots eat their horse paste. Hopefully they choke on the filler and society becomes smarter for it… The drug itself is shown to be safe (though ineffective for what they’re hoping for). One of the links I posted previously showed no ill effects for up to 3000μg/kg (which only tested that high… not that it wouldn’t be safe at higher dosages). That paste you linked? is 200 μg/kg for it’s target 1250 horse. So for a 200lb human is 1250μg/kg. Well within “safe” tolerances, assuming they’re eating the whole damn tube. Laugh at them for being stupid sure, but I don’t see where ivermectin as one of the cheapest most taken drugs on the planet needs to garner a bad wrap from this. It’s saved boatloads of lives over it’s ~50 years in service now. It’s not “horse” dewormer. It as a drug is good for just about any parasite removal in just about ANY living animal… of which humans are indeed animals.
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Why are you so invested in defending the reputation of ivermectin as a parasite treatment? That’s not what anyone else is discussing here.
The reality remains that, if an ineffective treatment is used in place of an effective treatment, people are going to get sick and often die. And whether it’s effective for some other use is irrelevant.
That’s not what anyone else is discussing here.
Sorry. But I’m not interested in talking to someone who claims “that’s not what were talking about” when that’s literally the core part of the discussion as started by OP.
It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first. You know, humans don’t get many worms where the drug was invented and made. It’s like, some adults wear diapers, but when someone says diapers the user you picture is a baby. You say Ivermectin, and anyone that knows anything about it thinks horses. It’s used by vets more than doctors. It’s available, I believe, over the counter, at farm supply stores. Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
Sometimes public ridicule is an appropriate remedy when social conduct is harmful yet not illegal.
In context, Mary Mallon was medically quarantined against her will, for life, because she refused to stop knowingly spreading disease. She broke the social contract. The social contract requires basic personal hygiene. The horse paste people anti-mask types are breaking the contract; they waste medication, they take up medical resources, and they knowingly spread disease. The same people take huge dumps and then don’t wash their hands.
And now, some Shakespeare:
“All the contagion of the south light on you, You shames of Rome! you herd of–boils and plagues. Plaster you o’er, that you may be abhorr’d. [Now go], further than [can be] seen, and one infect another, [and then go] against the wind [another] mile!”
It’s used by vets more than doctors.
It is only in the sense that third-world countries that rely on it just freely give it out rather than making it prescribed. Case and point being that it’s freely available in Mexico, as linked above.
Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
US only accounts for ~350 million of the many BILLIONS of people on the planet. We’re talking about a drug that has been taken by BILLIONS and you can’t shut the fuck up about the 350 million Americans?
It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first.
Initial research RELEASED the drugs for animals first… Mostly because it’s easier to get approval for animal drugs than human drugs.
However, this drug has been trialed to humans since ~1980 (Animals is credited as “late 70’s”, but “was initially introduced as a commercial product for Animal Health in 1981”). So really no difference in timelines here comparatively… But you go ahead and keep lying about shit. If your qualifier that it’s “animal first” is that it was trialed in animals mere months before it was trialed in humans, then sure, you’re right. But I’m taking issue with that. That’s bullshit and you should know it. And yes, it’s also normal for human trials to last much longer than animal ones. Thus why it was on trials for years.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
So once again… kindly fuck off with the lying about the medicine. You’re better than that.
Berate the moron, not the functional medicine.
Safety’s a good thing, but efficacy is what’s really needed. And it has been proven to have no efficacy for the conditions it is being hyped for. Absolutely none.
Eating rice pudding is safe too. It’s not an effective treatment for covid either.
What’s not safe is when someone fails to resort to an effective treatment because they’re instead fooled into using one that does nothing. And that’s what’s happening with ivermectin.
What’s not safe is when someone fails to resort to an effective treatment because they’re instead fooled into using one that does nothing. And that’s what’s happening with Ivermectin.
Cool, then piss on the people that make the call for the ineffective treatment. Not the perfectly useful drug that is in public domain and saved millions (many millions) of lives with 3.7 Billion doses consumed.
Edit: If a COVID denier told you to just drink water and you’ll get over it. Would you then turn around and call water “horse hydrating water” for the rest of your life? Do you not see how 1) absolutely stupid you’d look and 2) that you’re attempting to put down water by saying it? Even though it’s literally required to keep you alive?
While Ivermectin isn’t “required” to live… for many it’s the only answer. Now they’ll be stigmatized for no fucking reason other than this constant fucking rant of “horse dewormer”. At this point I don’t doubt that someone has turned down a legitimate use of Ivermectin over this shit, probably had to go for an alternative drug that is not in the public domain and paid some pharma company boatloads to do it. So like I’ve said probably a dozen times at this point. Piss on the people making the shit claim. Not the perfectly valid drugs that have very valuable purposes.
Nothing is 100% safe, with the curious exception of ultrasound which is considered 100% safe.
Edit: obviously don’t take medical advice from trump or any other idiot, go to the doctor, take your vaccines and keep calm when sick.
I don’t think it’d be very safe to consume an ultrasound. Sounds like a lot of metal and plastic leading to intestinal blockages at best.
It doesn’t do people’s argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it’s a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
and as we all know, there’s no reason to pass up an easy jab
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It is approved for use in humans, but its primary uses are all as an antiparisitic drug. And primarily worms.
Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
Medical professionals who promote quack uses should not only be mocked, they should have their license to practice terminated.
Well the blue color actually proved valuable in spinal reconstruction. (AFAIK)
Huh. Apparently it’s been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn’t thorough so I didn’t find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.
Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!
It’s also used as a topical antibacterial agent in wound care (source: am wound care nurse), but ya, not cancer.
TL;DR: When injected intravenously, it prevents surrounding tissue damage by preventing the flood of ATP from binding to neighbor cell “death receptors”. It replaces oxidized ATP that needed to be injected directly on the injured spine and had other side effects. At one cost: temporarily turning turning your skin blue. Neat!
…ah yes that new Korean song is all the rage!
A-T-P ATP ATP ATP ATP! Don’t you want me like I want you baby! Don’t you need me like I need you now!
Yeah! That’s what immediately came to mind when I first heard the song because in Spanish it’s APT and I used to love biochem many years ago. lol
E: Apparently my dyslexia got the best of me and it’s also ATP in Spanish and I’m misremembering.
Okay, en eapañol!
Don chu wan me laik Hay wan chu beibe! Don chu nid me laik Hay nid yu nau!
Aplausos!
Sorry, Mel!
I’m not sorry about anything that happens to that bigoted fucker.
I can believe that, but thinking a thing that’s helpful in spinal surgery then taking it when you have the cancer is… it’s pretty fucking dumb. Like… penicillin has saved my life about 5 different times because I have had chronic pneumonia, but I’m not about to down it if my leg breaks. These aren’t similar issues.
I mean… Death cures all 🤷🏻♂️
Except death itself. How ironic. /s
let’s hope everyone who still listens to Joe Bogan follows Mel G’s advice when they get cancer.
Methylene blue can be sed treat thallium posiong
I am glad his dumb ass friends will be gone soon
