“Immigrants should be forced guided into places that us superior white people, who are above what I deem menial work, are needed born-in-country people struggle to live in.”

Even excusing the policy, the design is actually pretty shit though. We’re all just used to it so it feels default and normal.

There are mandated back doors in most message apps.

Source?

I don’t see this happening. Apple to/from Android are the only texts that the government can easily snoop on.

Link me. You’re all saying they exist. I’m seeing nothing.

I think it has more to do with the lack of democracy, especially in the US. I guarantee you could get 100 regular Joes in a room to come up with a high speed rail project. You could never get that to happen with politicians at the mercy of the ruling class.

Antinatalists constantly tell people to kill their offspring.

Some do, sure, but that’s what what antinatalism is. This is like saying “vegans constantly tell meat eaters to kill themselves.” Yes, some do, but the point of veganism isn’t the death of meat eaters.

I argue on the same level as antinatalists.

No, you argue on your deranged level by justifying it with your antinatalist boogey man. You’re like those YouTube conservatives who put up a picture of a blue haired teenager on screen and saying “this is who the liberals are.”

If the cause is to end the suffering that humankind causes then there is only one solution.

This is like saying the way to end violence done in the name of religion is to kill off all religious people. There’s more that goes into getting to an end solution than just immediately jumping to it. And it also seems like you think antinatalists entire existence is about making antinatalism, like there’s nothing else besides this.

If my notions of the world are wrong, and humankind really is only a burden, then youre indirectly also calling for genocide.

You seem to not know what the word “natalism” means. It’s about bring people into the world. It has nothing to do with people who are already living.

And killing off all living people isn’t a genocide. It’s “speciocide.” Completely different things. Comparing antinatalists with people who commit genocides is unbelievably unhinged, but I should have seen it coming from someone like you.

You think that isn’t fucked up?

The only thing I think is fucked up in this discussion is people who only believe in antinatalism-lite for eugenic reasons and, of course, you.

You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.

How isn’t having kids selfish? You’re not having a child for this child’s sake. You’re having the child for your sake.

Do people think they’re funny and/or smart leaving comments like this? Literally anytime someone questions something, there’s this comment.

So if you were truly commited to your cause and you wanted your bloodline to die with you, then you could also [i do not condone selfharm, this is purely for argumentation].

I don’t have a cause. You’re putting words into my mouth because you don’t know how to argue in good faith.

You’re literally telling me to kill myself because you’re personally offended someone dare challenge your preconceived notions of the world. You’re a truly fucked up individual. I pray you don’t have or ever have any dependents. You’re a danger to society.

I think you might be glamorizing it a bit. Talking about politics was until “recently” considered very rude and taboo. There’s been a big culture shift in talking about politics in the past maybe 15-20 years or so. I don’t have any hard data and this is just my view, but I think a major turning point was when a lot of the country realized how fucked up the wars in the Middle East were. This put people squarely into two pretty emotional camps, pro-war and anti-war. Everyone* had an opinion. Everyone* was open about sharing that opinion. Over those few years 2003-2008 was probably the biggest shift in openly talking about politics among regular people. And since being open about politics was now in, here came the wave of loud and proud racism from “centrists” and conservatives once Obama was elected and it hasn’t died down since.

So, yeah, it’s real easy for discussions to get “hot” when one side is openly calling for all the -isms in the book and people on the other side finally realizing what’s happening.

I said parents are selfish for having kids. You can try to downplay it all you want, but you don’t have a kid for this future magical mystical kid. You have a kid for your own wants and needs over everything else. Just because having kids is an accepted action in society doesn’t make it not selfish. And since you think of “selfishness” as a bad thing, this makes your brain scramble and your cognitive dissonance go into overdrive causing you to come up with completely inept retorts like I’m “selfish” for simply existing and using resources that the Earth clearly has as I’m using them.

This is such an incredible leap in logic.

You can say that having kids is selfish, which it objectively is (no matter if they’re perfectly healthy/wealthy/on top of society or not), but also want to “build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet.”

Focusing on just kids with disabilities and not every kid is fucked though, with a lot of these people in these spaces.

There’s no other way to put it, having kids is extremely selfish.

It’s pretty much the epitome of selfishness.

I want to clarify though, this isn’t to say that calling only people who to have kids who happen to have disabilities “selfish.” Every single parent is extremely selfish (excluding some outliers, obviously, don’t “um actually” me).

Should I know what you’re trying to say here?

If all you people actually cared about Palestinians and didn’t turn a blind eye about all the atrocities committed by Israel the past 70+ years, none of this would be happening now.

You’re removing the all context because you don’t give a fuck about Palestinians and their treatment by Israel. You’re trying to pretend this happened in a vacuum.

Can we see some proof of these rape claims? I’ve been scouring the news and have found nothing.

Kagi sucks for this reason too. I can’t believe people recommend that $200/yr paid search engine garbage.

There’s a clear distinction between the sort of age of crusades and modern post ww2 geopolitics that generated the current conflict

This is like saying the BLM movement in America has nothing to do with slavery.

but to suggest that there’s not been a near continuous level of conflict in the area between Jews, Muslims, and Christians is disingenuous.

It’s not disingenuous. Jewish people literally just weren’t there until very recently. You’re talking like 1000+ years ago.

You’re stripping context away. This is all you anti-Palestinians, pro-Zionists do to push your genocidal views.

Here’s the difference. As fucked as Israel treats many in the strip, you don’t see crowds of civilians joining in to rape women or spit on the corpses of Innocents. You see soldiers do fucked things sure but the average person isn’t involved.

The shit that Hamas just did? Streets filled with people joining in and celebrating women being paraded around. You see civilians jumping into the truck with them to rape them. You see celebrations all around the world about this.

There’s no proof or evidence of any rape happening. This is just you making the assumption that since women are taken, they must have been raped by these savage Palestinians. This is pure, unadulterated racism. Sure, it could have happened and it could be happening, but there’s literally no proof of it anywhere. You’re literally just making shit up because you’re racist.

You know what you’ve never talked about or thought of in your life? The decades long documented torture and raping campaign of Palestinians by Israel never mind all the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. None of this makes you bat an eye.

On top of this, most countries don’t even want Palestinians because of how fucked they are. Look what happened in Egypt when they accepted them. They don’t anymore for a reason.

What you’re saying is just a straight up lie backed up with nothing.

I don’t know why you think racism against Palestinians is okay. This is literally identical to every other genocidal campaign throughout history. “These other people are savages and ‘fucked’ and can’t be civil, therefore, it’s okay to treat them the way they are treated.”

They absolutely deserve what is coming to them. Israel is still doing roof knocks to warn Innocents and they absolutely shouldn’t at this point.

There’s no difference between you and the people after 9/11 thinking we should nuke the entire Middle East into oblivion. You’re the same person. Very stupid, very emotional. We’re all glad the only power you have over anyone is yourself. You’re an unhinged nutjob.

Need a modern day crusade to clean that country out of these people who believe that it’s acceptable to rape and kill old people.

So everyone in every Western military and government too? Or that doesn’t count because it’s acceptable when they do it.