I’m not directly involved in either project beyond reporting bugs and suggesting features yet, but I follow both projects closely. My sense is that the Mbin community is prioritizing collaboration around UX improvements while Kbin is focusing on scaling/performance issues… which makes sense as kbin.social is more than 10x the size of fedia.io (https://fedidb.org/network/instance/kbin.social vs https://fedidb.org/network). I opened a bug about the UI for altering link images at https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/1365. When I tested the same steps in Mbin, the issue i was seeing in Kbin had already been solved in Mbin.

Kbin is a great PHP implementation of ActivityPub for reddit-like communities, but requiring all major changes to be made/reviewed by a single person is a real bottle neck.

It would be great if Kbin could figure out some form of goverance/delegation that would allow more contributors, but there doesn’t seem to be much interest in that type of change so for now we have 2 project with different priorities and governance models… and that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

So are Europeans just more honest and ethical than Americans? Or do all gas stations have better theft prevention systems? In the US, there is often 1 cashier managing 12 pumps AND ringing up vice sales (cigarettes, lottery tickets, junk food). In some states there a pumps with no human on site at all.

What’s to stop someone from driving off after filling up in the EU?

They prefer a more polished UI? I know there are several mobile apps that improve on the default browser experience of visiting https://lemmy.world/, but you have to admit that the initial UX of Lemmy leaves room for improvement. This is the same reason many open-source projects gave up on IRC. The die-hard FOSS advocates raised the “but Slack isn’t an open standard” argument only to be shouted down by a larger part of the community with “IRC’s UX sucks and is a barrier to new contributors”.

https://kbin.social/ has a lot of issues (like calling communities magazines and general performance/stability), but the UI/UX is so much better than Lemmy.

which shouldn’t be difficult as the “rest of his life” will likely be just a few days

I appreciate the effort, but this version ends with…

took his children to protect them from the occupation’s missiles, but

But what?

I think the best way to deal with the issue includes education, digital skills, and parental oversight of Internet use including the use of personal filters or blocking tools if desired.

As a someone who works in technology and is a parent to 2 kids < 10, I’m already aware of what a niave statement that is.

I keep my kids’ iPad locked down and have a router with some basic parental control features, but as the number devices in our lives that are able to browse the web increases along with the number of wireless networks my kids can connect to, trying to police this myself is futile.

And I’m not even concerned about them occasionally seeing “normal” porn. As a former Reddit user, I’ve seen some things I wish I hadn’t. Things I’m not able to fully process as an adult.

I can handle the conversation about…

“you know how people drive in Fast and Furious isn’t how people drive in real life? That’s what porn sex is like compared to the sex you are going to have.”

I cannot explain some of the darker corners of Reddit.

If you applied Geist’s logic to alcohol, it would be up to parents to keep kids from going to liquor stores. Sure I can stop my kids from drinking the alcohol I have in my own home, but I rely on laws to make it very difficult for them to do something as a community we’ve agreed they aren’t mature enough to make good decisions about.

Why can’t we apply the same policies on to internet services?

we don’t have the kind of political system YET…

Roughly 50 American voting jurisdictions — from small cities to states — have now moved to a ranked choice voting system, according to tracking by the advocacy group FairVote, and it’s shaping up to be one of the political subplots of 2024.

Advocates say ranked choice voting could help take some of the toxicity out of American politics while giving voters access to a broader swath of ideas.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/13/1214199019/ranked-choice-voting-explainer

Is there a list of magazines with great, custom CSS? I’m not sure if it’s how I use KBin, but I haven’t noticed many customized magazines.

I didn’t delete my account and still read https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/, but I only comment when I think the user would have better luck posting to https://kbin.social/m/drupal or https://kbin.social/m/php. The Kbin version of the Drupal community only has 50 subscribers, but some articles get the same number of upvotes/favorites on Kbin as they do on Reddit now. Drupal users have their own Mastodon instance at https://drupal.community/ and the founder/lead of the project is active on https://indieweb.social/@dries, so it doesn’t take much to convince that community to move the conversation to an open, ActivityPub based platform.

@acunasdaddy you can find magazines by searching from https://kbin.social/magazines. The Articles posted to the magazines you subscribe to show up in your feed. Microblogs are just aggregate content from the Fediverse. The moderation tools are limited, but what exists can be found by clicking the Magazine Panel button.

All of Kbin is very much a work in progress. A lot of things work as expected. Some don’t. Be patient and pay it forward by helping others figure this out when you can.

@xc2215x the irony that some the improvements made to modernize the version of PHP it runs on were contributed by Facebook and the fact that it’s Twig template files can be modified by anyone familiar with HTML and CSS. You don’t need to know PHP to contribute improvements.

So is Kbin. Both projects use the AGPL license, but Kbin is a PHP/Symfony based solution while Lemmy is primarily a Rust backend with a Typescript front end. If someone is going to run an instance or contribute to the code, they are likely going to choose the stack that they are most familiar with.

With a lot of #Drupal experience, the Kbin code is very approachable for me… but as other commenters have already said… whatever floats your boat.

The Kbin and Lemmy projects aren’t competing as much with each other as the ActivityPub driven communities are competing with the walled gardens.

@Gargleblaster I saw mention Earnest mention https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin in https://mstdn.social/@ernest@kbin.social/110520630922617908, so that seems legit.