The sailors on these vessels will largely be foreign nationals, a lot of Philippinos, for example, and may not even be aware the vessel they’re on is ultimately owned by Israeli interests.
The ownership structure of ships can be quite complex.
That is where they are but not where they came from. If we didn’t bomb and kill every person who opposes us and prop up the governments who kill and torture them then perhaps they wouldn’t be attacking others. Millions of americans in the coming years are going to finally figure out what the rest knows. When the government treats people like criminals many will become criminal. Don’t kid yourself about the brown part. If they were white there would be more talking.
How many sailors actually know who the vessel they work on is actually owned by? Bear in mind, it’s not always a simple process, the vessel can be leased from a company that is in turn owned by another company that is part owned by…
To add, this particular region isn’t a country as that term is understood by anyone. It is lawless, unincorporated territory without anyone in charge.
It’s finders keepers. First country who can bring law and order to the territory gets to keep it, and the Republic of Yemen, has proved either unwilling and incapable.
To be clear, it would be fine if the people in this territory wanted to live like it’s the year 600 and kept to themselves, but that’s not what they want. They want to be part of a new Islamic caliphate and rule the entire world.
But aren’t you saying that some countries can be disinfranchized because they don’t abide by Western ideals and that some stronger nation can swoop in and colonize them and are right to do so?
You also expressed the opinion thta generalized Yemeni people (predominantly Muslim) and shows them to be culturally defective… but you provide no evidence except for them being Yemeni.
There’s a handful of very vocal posters on here that are just cooked. They think that anyone fighting the US is automatically the good guy, and life just isn’t that simple.
They think that anyone fighting the US is automatically the good guy, and life just isn’t that simple.
Actually, it kinda is. For the same reason the US, the UK, and the USSR were all allies during WWII, and were all “the good guys” in that conflict, despite having drastically different ideologies. Because the other side was committing a major genocide, and had to be stopped above all else.
The genocide must be stopped, and neither US political party is willing to offer us a chance to vote against it. Therefore, it can only be stopped through military force, and we don’t really have the luxury of waiting for some faction to suddenly emerge out of thin air that has the strength to fight and win while also being perfectly aligned ideologically. The very least we can do is offer our verbal support to the anti-genocide side, regardless of their reasons.
But if I’m wrong, then enlighten me. How exactly do you envision stopping the genocide?
The allies fought together in WWII because the axis attacked them. The genocide not only had nothing to do with it, war decisions were explicitly made to leave intact the concentration camp system (for example not bombing railroads that took people to the camps) because any whiff of supporting Jews would have damaged political support for the war. The people in the camps were only freed at the very end of the war.
The allies were the same countries that crippled Germany’s economy after WWI, leaving its society vulnerable to the demagogery of Hitler. I don’t believe they can be black-and-white described as “the good guys”.
Yeah, that’s the point. Many of the countries who were part of the Allies were doing it for their own interests, as world-dominating colonial powers. But whatever their motivations, they’re still correctly regarded as “the good guys” because the other side was the fucking Nazis. Likewise, Ansar Allah and similar groups may have their own motivations, their own problems, their own sins, but the other side is committing genocide.
And the reason that literally every single conflict from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq and so on is justified by comparing it to WWII is that virtually everyone was and is on the same page about it, for different reasons. Yeah the leadership was motivated more by maintaining power, but that doesn’t mean that everyone fighting at the time or that everyone looking back on it supported/supports the Allies on the same motivation.
Once Israel and the US have been defeated and the genocide has stopped, then sure, let’s look at Ansar Allah’s position on gay rights or whatever. Until then they are some of the only ones doing anything to keep Israel in check, and we desperately need someone to do that, because again, the genocide must stop.
You didn’t answer the question. The genocide must stop, how do you envision stopping it? If you denounce every actual, practical solution without offering any other option, then how is your position meaningfully different from just outright supporting it?
That same line about how “they’d be even worse than us if they ever got power,” has been used by virtually every colonialist project on earth. It’s wild to watch an old school, 1800’s style colonial project playing out in 2025 and to see all the same rhetoric being used, it’s like getting in a time machine.
Except my solution is not to exterminate Israel. Fighting genocide by supporting a different group of genocidal maniacs is lunacy. Hamas is bad. Israel is bad. I can’t even say who is worse, morally. Israel just happens to have greater capacity for inflicting their evil right now.
Child marriage is still legal in 38 states, you people kidnap students for having an opinion.
Your rapist president is dismantling your department of education and slavery is still legal as per your constitution.
You guys have killed millions and destroyed dozens of countries in the span of 50 years for economic gains, you have torture camps and trans aren’t even recognized anymore.
stop with all this righteousness… maybe if the US stopped meddling in other countries things would change.
you describe a decent chunk of the usa and its leaders if you just change “education” to “abortion” (although that’s probably not far either), so it’s kind of a not good guy doing a good thing vs a not good guy fighting the not good guy for the bad guy
The US would still have chattel slavery if the slaves never resisted their chains. Women would still be the property of their husbands and not be allowed to vote or work if they did not fight for their rights. There is nothing about western “values” that made these things happen, they were not granted upon us by our holy and just rulers or even decided on by the masses in a vacuum. They were hard fought through decades of collective struggle and civil war.
It would be a lot easier for the people of Yemen to do the same if they were allowed to experience the same peace as is experienced in the west, and their efforts weren’t constantly thwarted by imperialist powers.
They have not been operating with honesty for some ships but as someone else pointed out, the majority had ties to the US and Israel. They’ve also been very clear about why they do this. I’m not saying they are admirable, but they are not that wrong.
I don’t think it’s bad to admit that they are generally doing something good while also committing bad mistakes.
JD Vance was just quoted saying 90% of the traffic was headed to Europe. I’m sure he’s exaggerating as much as you. Not too long ago the United States had good sounds intelligence so…. Idk not my business anyway. Don’t fuck with civilian vessels. Hit real military targets and get hit back with military assets. All I see is a bunch of fucking terrorist and terrorist supporters to be honest.
I can see why you think I might be exaggerating but at some point I checked the wikipedia page listing Houthi attacks on ships and spent a good amount of time checking each one more carefully.
They’re attacking ships in international waters, killing sailors.
They’re not the good guys.
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The sailors on these vessels will largely be foreign nationals, a lot of Philippinos, for example, and may not even be aware the vessel they’re on is ultimately owned by Israeli interests.
The ownership structure of ships can be quite complex.
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That is where they are but not where they came from. If we didn’t bomb and kill every person who opposes us and prop up the governments who kill and torture them then perhaps they wouldn’t be attacking others. Millions of americans in the coming years are going to finally figure out what the rest knows. When the government treats people like criminals many will become criminal. Don’t kid yourself about the brown part. If they were white there would be more talking.
If I was a sailor, I simply wouldn’t work for a ship associated with Israel.
They’re not attacking Chinese ships, they’re not attacking Turkish ships, they’re not attacking South African ships.
The Houthis literally attacked a ship taking Russian oil to China. They have managed to piss off just about everyone.
Russia is also Israel’s biggest supplier of oil.
Like America, if they didn’t want their tankers attacked, they shouldn’t be facilitating genocide.
How many sailors actually know who the vessel they work on is actually owned by? Bear in mind, it’s not always a simple process, the vessel can be leased from a company that is in turn owned by another company that is part owned by…
You get the idea.
You’re right, because the sailors might not know any better, everybody should just let them help Israel facilitate genocide.
Why are they doing it?
I’m sure they have what they think are very good reasons.
To add, this particular region isn’t a country as that term is understood by anyone. It is lawless, unincorporated territory without anyone in charge.
It’s finders keepers. First country who can bring law and order to the territory gets to keep it, and the Republic of Yemen, has proved either unwilling and incapable.
To be clear, it would be fine if the people in this territory wanted to live like it’s the year 600 and kept to themselves, but that’s not what they want. They want to be part of a new Islamic caliphate and rule the entire world.
Not gonna happen ✅.
Isn’t that a bit… Islamophobic and colonialist? You’re also making a lot of assumptions about Yemen here.
No, not unless you don’t know what those words mean.
Places have to be good neighbors if they want security. Can’t be belligerent and be safe. It’s an either or thing. Nothing colonial about that.
But aren’t you saying that some countries can be disinfranchized because they don’t abide by Western ideals and that some stronger nation can swoop in and colonize them and are right to do so?
You also expressed the opinion thta generalized Yemeni people (predominantly Muslim) and shows them to be culturally defective… but you provide no evidence except for them being Yemeni.
There’s a handful of very vocal posters on here that are just cooked. They think that anyone fighting the US is automatically the good guy, and life just isn’t that simple.
Actually, it kinda is. For the same reason the US, the UK, and the USSR were all allies during WWII, and were all “the good guys” in that conflict, despite having drastically different ideologies. Because the other side was committing a major genocide, and had to be stopped above all else.
The genocide must be stopped, and neither US political party is willing to offer us a chance to vote against it. Therefore, it can only be stopped through military force, and we don’t really have the luxury of waiting for some faction to suddenly emerge out of thin air that has the strength to fight and win while also being perfectly aligned ideologically. The very least we can do is offer our verbal support to the anti-genocide side, regardless of their reasons.
But if I’m wrong, then enlighten me. How exactly do you envision stopping the genocide?
The allies fought together in WWII because the axis attacked them. The genocide not only had nothing to do with it, war decisions were explicitly made to leave intact the concentration camp system (for example not bombing railroads that took people to the camps) because any whiff of supporting Jews would have damaged political support for the war. The people in the camps were only freed at the very end of the war.
The allies were the same countries that crippled Germany’s economy after WWI, leaving its society vulnerable to the demagogery of Hitler. I don’t believe they can be black-and-white described as “the good guys”.
Yeah, that’s the point. Many of the countries who were part of the Allies were doing it for their own interests, as world-dominating colonial powers. But whatever their motivations, they’re still correctly regarded as “the good guys” because the other side was the fucking Nazis. Likewise, Ansar Allah and similar groups may have their own motivations, their own problems, their own sins, but the other side is committing genocide.
And the reason that literally every single conflict from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq and so on is justified by comparing it to WWII is that virtually everyone was and is on the same page about it, for different reasons. Yeah the leadership was motivated more by maintaining power, but that doesn’t mean that everyone fighting at the time or that everyone looking back on it supported/supports the Allies on the same motivation.
Once Israel and the US have been defeated and the genocide has stopped, then sure, let’s look at Ansar Allah’s position on gay rights or whatever. Until then they are some of the only ones doing anything to keep Israel in check, and we desperately need someone to do that, because again, the genocide must stop.
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You didn’t answer the question. The genocide must stop, how do you envision stopping it? If you denounce every actual, practical solution without offering any other option, then how is your position meaningfully different from just outright supporting it?
That same line about how “they’d be even worse than us if they ever got power,” has been used by virtually every colonialist project on earth. It’s wild to watch an old school, 1800’s style colonial project playing out in 2025 and to see all the same rhetoric being used, it’s like getting in a time machine.
I don’t have an answer. I just know supporting Islamists is not the answer.
You in 1940: “I don’t know how we can stop the Nazis, I just know supporting Stalinists is not the answer.”
I mean…yeah. Those fuckers were as bad as the Nazis. Fuck Stalin, he’s a genocidal monster too, he just happened to be on the winning side.
We don’t owe you an answer to that question.
Yeah, you kinda fucking do, actually, unless you’re fine with the genocide continuing.
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That is a very strange line of reasoning.
Exactly what nazis would say if asked about why they tried to exterminate the jews.
Good god you’re broken beyond repair.
Except my solution is not to exterminate Israel. Fighting genocide by supporting a different group of genocidal maniacs is lunacy. Hamas is bad. Israel is bad. I can’t even say who is worse, morally. Israel just happens to have greater capacity for inflicting their evil right now.
Sometimes, there are no good guys.
wow you are a nazi
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” is not only a dumb argument, it’s a boring argument.
til fighting against a genocide doesn’t make someone a good guy
we have to be respectful i guess
If you still believe in slavery, treating women as property and making it illegal for them to have an education etc, then you’re not the good guy.
Awful people do occasionally end up on the right side of an issue.
Child marriage is still legal in 38 states, you people kidnap students for having an opinion.
Your rapist president is dismantling your department of education and slavery is still legal as per your constitution.
You guys have killed millions and destroyed dozens of countries in the span of 50 years for economic gains, you have torture camps and trans aren’t even recognized anymore.
stop with all this righteousness… maybe if the US stopped meddling in other countries things would change.
You do realise I’m not American, right?
Like I care, my statement still stand and I pity yours.
you describe a decent chunk of the usa and its leaders if you just change “education” to “abortion” (although that’s probably not far either), so it’s kind of a not good guy doing a good thing vs a not good guy fighting the not good guy for the bad guy
The US would still have chattel slavery if the slaves never resisted their chains. Women would still be the property of their husbands and not be allowed to vote or work if they did not fight for their rights. There is nothing about western “values” that made these things happen, they were not granted upon us by our holy and just rulers or even decided on by the masses in a vacuum. They were hard fought through decades of collective struggle and civil war.
It would be a lot easier for the people of Yemen to do the same if they were allowed to experience the same peace as is experienced in the west, and their efforts weren’t constantly thwarted by imperialist powers.
They should probably stop fucking with our boats then.
The west has had their hands in Yemen for much longer than the houthis have been firing on ships bound for Israel.
degeneracy in plain sight.
They are attacking Norwegian boats. The majority of the boats they are attacking aren’t even from the USA or going to the USA…
Also false. The majority of boats when the US blockade was active had direct ties to the countries on the blockade list.
Notable example True Confidence was owned by US Oaktree Capital until it was sold right before passing through the Red Sea. https://www.ft.com/content/7968438c-ec7c-424d-aaed-42d99e2a51a7
They have not been operating with honesty for some ships but as someone else pointed out, the majority had ties to the US and Israel. They’ve also been very clear about why they do this. I’m not saying they are admirable, but they are not that wrong.
I don’t think it’s bad to admit that they are generally doing something good while also committing bad mistakes.
JD Vance was just quoted saying 90% of the traffic was headed to Europe. I’m sure he’s exaggerating as much as you. Not too long ago the United States had good sounds intelligence so…. Idk not my business anyway. Don’t fuck with civilian vessels. Hit real military targets and get hit back with military assets. All I see is a bunch of fucking terrorist and terrorist supporters to be honest.
I can see why you think I might be exaggerating but at some point I checked the wikipedia page listing Houthi attacks on ships and spent a good amount of time checking each one more carefully.
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