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The company’s DVD subscription service is ending this month, bringing to a close an origin story that ultimately upended the entertainment industry.
In a nondescript office park minutes from Disneyland sits a nondescript warehouse. Inside this nameless, faceless building, an era is ending.
The building is a Netflix DVD distribution plant. Once a bustling ecosystem that processed 1.2 million DVDs a week, employed 50 people and generated millions of dollars in revenue, it now has just six employees left to sift through the metallic discs. And even that will cease on Friday, when Netflix officially shuts the door on its origin story and stops mailing out its trademark red envelopes.
“It’s sad when you get to the end, because it’s been a big part of all of our lives for so long,” Hank Breeggemann, the general manager of Netflix’s DVD division, said in an interview. “But everything runs its cycle. We had a great 25-year run and changed the entertainment industry, the way people viewed movies at home.”
When Netflix began mailing DVDs in 1998 — the first movie shipped was “Beetlejuice” — no one in Hollywood expected the company to eventually upend the entire entertainment industry. It started as a brainstorm between Reed Hastings and Marc Randolph, successful businessmen looking to reinvent the DVD rental business. No due dates, no late fees, no monthly rental limits.
Edgar Ramos looking through a window inside a machine with metal and wires. Edgar Ramos working at one of the facility’s DVD sorting machines. Despite the reduced staff, this operation still receives and sends some 50,000 discs a week.
“I am sad,” Mr. Ramos said. “When the day comes, I’m sure we will all be crying. Wish we could do streaming over here, but it is what it is.”
It did much more than that. The DVD business destroyed competitors like Blockbuster and altered the viewing habits of the public. Once Netflix began its streaming business and then started producing original content, it transformed the entire entertainment industry. So much so that the economics of streaming — which actors and writers argue are worse for them — is at the heart of the strikes that have brought Hollywood to a standstill.
Even before the strikes, streaming had rendered DVDs obsolete, at least from a business perspective. At its height, Netflix was the Postal Service’s fifth-largest customer, operating 58 shipping facilities and 128 shuttle locations that allowed Netflix to serve 98.5 percent of its customer base with one-day delivery. Today, there are five such facilities — the others are in Fremont, Calif.; Trenton, N.J.; Dallas; and Duluth, Ga. — and DVD revenue totaled $60 million for the first six months of 2023. In comparison, Netflix’s streaming revenue in the United States for the same period reached $6.5 billion.
Despite the reduced staff, this operation still receives and sends some 50,000 discs a week with titles ranging from the popular (“Avatar: The Way of Water” and “The Fabelmans”) to the obscure (the 1998 Catherine Deneuve crime thriller, “Place Vendôme”). Each of the employees at the Anaheim facility has been with the company for more than a decade, some as long as 18 years. (One hundred people at Netflix still work on the DVD side of the business, though most will soon be leaving the company.)
Erik Melendrez, 33, who has worked at the warehouse since he was 18, at one of the automated stations that sorts DVDs.
Anh Tran and Mr. Melendrez at a station that sorts returned DVDs. At its height, Netflix operated 58 shipping facilities and 128 shuttle locations. Today, there are five such facilities.
A few of them started straight out of high school, like Edgar Ramos, and they can run Netflix’s proprietary auto-sorting machines and its Automated Rental Return Machine (ARRM), which processes 3,500 DVDs an hour, with the precision of Swiss watch engineers.
“I am sad,” Mr. Ramos said while sorting envelopes into their ZIP code bins. “When the day comes, I’m sure we will all be crying. Wish we could do streaming over here, but it is what it is.”
Mike Calabro, Netflix’s senior operations manager, has been with the company for more than 13 years. He said the unexpected moments of frivolity were a big part of why he had stayed, like the drawings made by renters on the envelopes or the Cheetos dust and coffee stains that often mark the returns, evidence of a product that has been well integrated into customers’ lives.
But when asked if he had ever met some of the most active customers in person, Mr. Calabro quickly replied, “No!” In fact, the anonymous look of the facility, which provides a stark contrast to the giant Netflix logos that adorn the company’s other real estate, is intentional. Visitors, it is clear, are not welcome.
“If we put Netflix out on the door, we would have people showing up with their discs, saying: ‘Hey, I’d like to return this. Can you give me my next disc?’” Mr. Calabro said.
That was the usual transaction with a video rental retailer, but Netflix wanted to make sure customers knew this was something different.
“It was a decision we made very early on,” Mr. Breeggemann said. “If they knew where we were, we’d run into that problem. And then it wouldn’t be a good customer experience. We wanted to mail both ways.”
Lorraine Segura, a senior operations manager, works with the labels that go on packages.
Ms. Segura, who started in 2008, used to rip open 650 envelopes an hour. When automation came, she was one of the few employees who traveled to the facility in Fremont, Calif., to learn how to run the machines.
Netflix’s DVD operations still serve around one million customers, many of them very loyal.
Bean Porter, 35, lives in St. Charles, Ill., and has subscribed to Netflix’s DVD and streaming services since 2015. She said she was “devastated” that there would be no more DVDs. Ms. Porter was able to use her subscription to watch DVDs of shows like “Yellowstone” and “The Handmaid’s Tale” — episodic television made for other streaming services that would have required her to buy additional subscriptions.
She and her husband also watch three or four movies a week and find Netflix’s DVD library to be deeper and more diverse than any other subscription service. She often hosts cookouts in her backyard and invites neighbors to watch movies on an outdoor screen. That is easier to do with a DVD, she said, than with streaming because of internet connectivity issues. And she has become involved with the DVD operations’ social media channel, posting videos, interacting with other customers and chatting directly with the social media managers working for the company.
“I’m pretty angry,” she said. “I’m just going to have to do streaming, and I feel like what they’re doing is forcing me into having less options.”
To ease the backlash, Netflix is allowing its DVD customers to hold on to their final rentals. Ms. Porter intends to keep “The Breakfast Club,” “Goonies” and “The Sound of Music.” As for the last DVD she intends to watch: She’s leaving that up to fate.
“I have 45 movies left in my queue, and where I land is where I’ll land, as there are too many good options to pick from,” she said.
The morning’s DVDs being shipped out to subscribers. At its height, Netflix was the Postal Service’s fifth-largest customer.
Netflix’s DVD operations still serve around one million customers.
The employees have a more sanguine attitude. Lorraine Segura started at Netflix in 2008 and used to rip open envelopes — 650 envelopes an hour. When automation came, she was one of the few employees who traveled to the facility in Fremont to learn how to run the machines and pass that training on to others. Now she runs the floor with Mr. Calabro as a senior operations manager.
“I’ve learned a lot here: how to fix machines, how to make goals and hit targets,” she said before leading her team in a round of ergonomic exercises to prevent repetitive stress injuries. “I feel empowered now to get out in the world and do something new.”
I’m on another forum which includes a bunch of film buffs who are fans of the obscure and they are mourning the end of this era of Netflix because so many films are now inaccessible to them. Apparently there are a couple of small-time operations trying to fill the gap, but they don’t have the selection. And piracy doesn’t usually give you all the bonus features of a DVD, especially if it’s a relatively unknown movie, and you can’t always find a copy to download.
So this is a huge loss for them.
I realize this has become a non-tenable business for Netflix, I just wish they were willing to sell their stock to another company that wants to provide the same service.
I wish they would sell their stock as well and let someone else pick up the pieces. I’ve had this service since like 2006 or something; literally since before Blockbuster closed. I’ve watched hundreds of shows and films through them and even as I was trying to clear out my queue in this last couple months, there were still a ton that you just couldn’t find elsewhere.
The next closest thing will be to buy off Amazon or something as Used and just sell them back when I’m done, but it’s not the same. A bunch of my friends laughed when I said I was sad this service was ending because they were like “wtf? Who gets/uses DVDs??” But, this service has been a major source of entertainment for me over the years.
Like, you can always pirate anything popular, but getting into random French films that you’d never see elsewhere…The streaming collection has never been quite as robust because of various rights, and it’s even worse now that everyone has their own streaming service. This is very likely going to be the move that leads me to finally cancel Netflix entirely.
As they later pay $17 a month (and soon maybe even more) to barely watch any movies or have their favorite and shows get removed or cancelled for no reason.
That’s mostly on the content owners, not Netflix. They can’t control other companies from pulling their content to foolishly set up yet another streaming service.
Canceling shows is definitely on them, though.
It was a great value! I didn’t constantly subscribe because I am not a big movie buff but I had looked into reupping my sub about 2-3 weeks before they announced the closure but it kept erroring out. I tried a few more times after that figuring it would be fun to ride it off into the sunset as it closed but I think they must have just shut down new subscribers. But $15 a month and very little limitations on what kind of movie you could select. It was Way better than the limited options streaming is giving us.
Exactly. The only real option now is purchase and hope you can sell it back. And even then, it could be ridiculously expensive. Most of the people who do this don’t have the time or the money to spend on such a venture. It would be different if there were still video stores. Even Blockbuster let you make requests.
The limitation of obscure films is a real loss to a lot of people. As they said, 50,000 rentals a week. That’s not nothing. I mean, it is for Netflix, but it’s not nothing for people who really love film. They have little recourse.
These people could’ve archived every disc they got in the mail and together that’d probably be quite a selection. It’s not like they couldn’t have known the DVD rental business was eventually coming to an end.
There are hundreds or even thousands of potential things they could have rented in the future which are now unavailable to them except for spending a huge amount of money on a disc so rare that it would cost them $200.
It also fucks over people in rural areas without high speed internet. My mom only gets 3Mbps on a good day, and definitely can’t stream anything without a ton of buffering.