Posted this in a small community, curious to know what everyone here thinks.
Let me preface by saying, I would love to hear counter points and am fully open to the fact that I could be wrong and totally out of touch. I just want to have some dialogue around something thatās been bothering me in the fediverse.
More and more often I keep hearing people refer to ānormiesā. I think by referring to other people as ānormiesā, whether you intend to or not, you inadvertently gatekeep and create an exclusive environment rather than an inclusive one in the fediverse.
If I was not that familiar with the fediverse and decided to check it out and the first thing I read was a comment about ānormiesā, I would quite honestly be very put off. It totally has a negative connotation and doesnāt even encapsulate any one group. I just read a comment about someone grouping a racist uncle and funny friend into the same category of normie because they arenāt up to date on the fediverse or super tech savvy or whatever.
I donāt want to see any Meta bs in the fediverse. I barely want to see half of the stuff from Reddit in the fediverse. I donāt want to see the same echo chamber I do everywhere else.
I do want to see more users and more perspectives and a larger user base though. I want to see kindness and compassion. I want to talk to people about topics they are interested in. I want to have relevant discussions without it dissolving into some commentary on some unrelated hot topic thing.
I think calling people normies creates a more toxic, exclusive place which I personally came here to avoid.
Just my two cents! I know for most people using the term it isnāt meant to be malicious, but I think it comes off that way.
Love to hear all of your thoughts.
Tangentially related, but Iām really put off by a lot of the negativity Iām starting to see on kbin. I kind of feel like, can we leave that over on Reddit? Maybe Iāve been spoiled by Mastodon, which doesnāt have the same almost aggressive toxicity Iām starting to see over here. Iāve stopped posting some things to magazines (specifically the gaming magazine) just because I know folks will take it as an excuse to be toxic.
Unless we want the worst of Reddit to come here, it needs to be discouraged now.
I think wrt to the ānoticing negativity on kbinā complaint, weāre just kinda collectively suffering from āwherever you go, there you areā. The world and especially the internet has become a pretty fucking negative place as of late.
The reasons for that are complicated and some of it can be blamed on things like political polarization and that sort of thingā¦ but I think the roots of a lot of it boil down to more fundamental issues like climate change and economic inequality. All of that has downstream effects on public discourse. If you look at the sorts of factors that have preceded major societal upheavals in the past itās often come down to some combination there was a famine, or hyper inflation, or ālet them eat cakeā, etc.
I donāt think things are on the whole going to get more positive in society if resources continue to become hard to afford for people. And god help us when water shortages really start to hurt and we see a lot of major crop failures.
Ok so weird tangent but TL;DR I think a lot of the vitriol weāre experiencing is the beginning stages of what happens when shit hits the fan. Doesnāt matter where you are.
People really are trying to get upset over the most inane and irrelevant stuff, this shouldnāt be a platform where everyone just rants about their pet-peeves - thatās what twitter is for.
A suspicion Iāve had is that any community thatās based around not being or liking something (like religion, or cars) will start exhibiting toxic behavior more quickly than ones that do not (humanism or urbanism, to mirror my previous examples). Since kbin and lemmy are at the moment unfortunately pretty defined by not liking Reddit, itās becoming a one-uppance of who can push against the ānormieā Reddit and Thread users more than actually building a sustainable community. Iām not certain how to combat that, except to learn to ālet goā?
I noticed the same, but only in the last couple of days. Seems there is tons more toxicity and I wonder if itās redditās astroturfing to blame.
It is a really recent thing, isnāt it? Iāve been on kbin since the Blackout, and this feels like itās only been in the last week or so.
And the people being toxic really arenāt talking kindly to people asking them to not be. I actually started wondering if maybe kbin isnāt the place for me in the last week, and Iād never thought that before.
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Any recommendations?
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i mean, if it is reddit astroturfing, which I would not be surprised if it was, it would mean they succeeded. Good thing we have the block button here.
Hopefully, theyāve fixed it. I blocked people, but still got notifications of their replies. I couldnāt see the replies on the post, but the notification sat there until I cleared all of them out.