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Why do I feel like so many people here support the USSR and the CCP? - Lemmy
web.archive.orgMaybe it’s because of federation with lemmygrad, but I always feel like there’s quite a heavy anti-western or pro-communism bias. There are people arguing that NATO is expanding eastward (which, I don’t think it is, instead you just have more eastern countries are joining it) and “invading” (which, I mean it’s a defensive alliance that countries voluntarily join: “don’t attack us or we will all have to attack you” should only be worrying if you actually plan an invasion.)
There’s also people talking about how the collapse of the soviet union was a disaster, and using the Mercator projection to argue how Russia is bigger than Ukraine.
This isn’t really a problem on its own, but I find it surprising how many upvotes this stuff gets. Soviet Gulag killed just as many people as Nazi concentration camps, and the Soviet Union would only fall after everyone was so sick of it (eastern block declaring independence, for example) that it died. Surely, surely nobody looks at an authoritarian dictator and thinks “yeah i trust that person (with insane influence and little opposition) to not abuse their power and have my (a peasant) best interests (which are contradictory to theirs) at heart”.
Don’t even get me started on China, which still insists that Taiwan (which has been its own country since the CCP took power of the mainland) shouldn’t have any independence (imperialism…); and the country is clearly so sensitive about it they threw a hissy-fit and started doing military exercises outside Taiwan after they committed the horrible crime of… having a diplomat visit. Oh also China trying to exclude Wikimedia for acknowledging that Taiwan exists, claiming “disinformation”. Oh did I mention harassing and banning VTubers who say it is a country, even outside of a political setting?
Say what you will about China and an anti-china bias in the west, but any country that implements or supports a splinternet, or needlessy engages in border disputes with neighbouring countries meanwhile oppressing people within Chinese borders who have been living there for ages for not being chinese enough.
Again, don’t get me wrong I don’t think the west is immune from any of this (and in fact I think there is a lack of criticism of the west), but anyone who claims the west is evil while simultaneously glorifying countries that implement concentration camps comes off as fascistic and ignorant.
Sorry if this comes off as more of a rant than a question, but surely I can’t be the only one who feels this way?
I’ve mainly just seen in on the lemmygrad instance when I go to all. I find the content over there to be a bit silly (even as a socialist). I think you can block instances? I’ve blocked some of the more trolling/low effort communities.
But I also see it in the other direction. I’ve seen people ask open ended questions about the USSR and CCP for something they may have done well and people will downvote and “what-about-ism” for other stuff that isn’t/wasn’t so good, but is also off topic for what was asked.
There’s not a lot of effective discourse around the topic, I think. The conversation seems to be either entirely positive or negative for everything about them, even when the post is about one thing in particular. We can’t really say, “This thing was done well” without the what-about-isms, nor can we say “This other thing was not done well” without it applying to everything.
But to come back to your question, as you worded it “support for…”, that seems to be in line with the conversations here. It’s either “support” or “against” and not a whole lot of analysis. As in, if you say something positive then you support everything. Obviously, that shouldn’t be the case, but that does seem to be the narrative here.