• phoneymouse@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Man, Russia is nuts. I dunno where these guys got their beatings, but this seems like nothing you’d see in the US.

    Also, hard to understand how they can blame Ukraine for this while none of the suspects are Ukrainian.

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      8 months ago

      Presumably because they couldn’t find any Ukrainians to pin the blame on.

      I’m somewhat skeptical about if these people are actually responsible, since I would have thought that a properly organized terrorist would actually leave the country pretty pronto.

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          8 months ago

          well the police didnt even turn up for like 90 minutes apparently so maybe they gave up waiting for them to suicide by cop

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          8 months ago

          That’s starting to look weak. They’re allowing reality to have an impact on decision making.

      • feine_seife@feddit.de
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        8 months ago

        Bruh. There is video footage of it. You can go the parts of the internet where such footage is shared and check for yourself.

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          8 months ago

          A bunch of footage of what exactly? These individuals with their faces uncovered demonstrating they were the ones that committed the act I don’t think so.

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            8 months ago

            No, but you can clearly see the facial structure, clothing, shoes and other factors that any agency would use for.identification.

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      8 months ago

      You really won’t see this in the USA, because few people even reach the border. After September 11, the United States is fine with eliminating threats. For example, the United States knew about this attack for 2 weeks.

      UPD: I also remind you that after September 11, the United States did not limit itself to one person but beat up an entire country

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      8 months ago

      Most people involved with the sbu’s sabotage and terrorism inside Russia where not Ukrainian.

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      8 months ago

      some of them were ukranians caught making a dash back to ukraine…

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            8 months ago

            Because Isis have never committed any terrorist attacks before right?

            If you’re going to make that claim you need to provide some evidence

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              8 months ago

              And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.

              So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.

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                8 months ago

                The people that have done the deed where definitly ISIS. But there where many people involved behind the scenes and someone payed for it.

                ISIS usually ideologically subverts individuals.

                While Ukraine is involved in numerous killings, terrorism and uncountable sabotages inside Russia, (mostly) by either paying or convincing locals.

                (I doubt it was the US/ Europe. The CIA/ Europe would have no gain from this.)

                But there is no definitive proof (so far) of who actually orchestraded it, so it could be the usual suspect or the obvious one.

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                  8 months ago

                  You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.

                  A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.

                  Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.

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        8 months ago

        Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world

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              8 months ago

              Oh, believe me, I tried. Paradox of tolerance, yadda yadda yadda.

              Best I can do right now is let people know there’s no point in engaging with trolls. We don’t want to encourage them and give them a platform they’ll use to spread their nazbol propaganda.

              • feine_seife@feddit.de
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                8 months ago

                Well dont stop, continue. Only in dialogue can we defeat our differences.

                Otherwise you seperate and isolate people, and strengthen they’re belives.

                There are people that you can show all the facts and logic and proof and they are not going to believe. Those people I refer to as stupid. ( I dont call em that. No need to be rude). Dont be such a person yourself.

                Hence, always try to engage in dialogue and be flexible enough in your worldviews. But also know some people are not and there is nothing you can do.

                But other people reading this will see you be right.

                Nazbol? What does this dead movement have to do with anything?

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                  8 months ago

                  We can all sit down and sing Kumbaya. While we do that, they’ll have free reign to propagate their conspiracy theories and hate.

                  I don’t engage seriously with them anymore, I’ve been burnt too many times. I don’t want to give them more visibility than they already have.

                  I want people to know immediately what they’re dealing with, because these guys don’t play by the rules.

                  • feine_seife@feddit.de
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                    8 months ago

                    Which rules?

                    Additionaly u are giving them more visibility, as uncommented statements are creticless, people rather read those.