I genuinely hate the dishonesty. Why is it drilled in people to fake being nice? Why does one have to be so polite? There are ways to say no and still be polite. Or just simply say, hey thank you but I’m not super interested. Idk man. I’d rathe have a no than a maybe (probably not).
I think there are two ways of being polite, one is that fake-politeness you mention, the other is more of an avoidance of proactively hurting people’s feelings.
As an example let’s say you think gender reveal parties are stupid. Your friend invites you to their gender reveal party for their baby. Declining the invitation with a fake excuse is the first kind of polite. Just declining by saying you don’t want to go is the second. Proactively offering your opinion that gender reveal parties are stupid in general and your friend shouldn’t have one even though they didn’t ask and probably already scheduled it would be unnecessarily hurtful. On the other hand if they asked you what you think of gender reveal parties instead of inviting you I would not see it as rude to respond honestly. Also, if you decline politely and they keep probing deeper for reasons you are under no obligation to make up some fake reason.
This is a really helpful answer. The gender reveal party is a great example, because it’s an event people tend to get incredibly emotional and excited about, and also very defensive if they feel you are not as excited. That’s why making up an excuse or just politely decline is good. You shouldn’t really dampen their excitement if they are so much into it.
Most of these same emotionally high stakes special occasion social events are also of the type where you have to suffer through a whole day of pre-scripted interactions like fake smiles and small talk. Not ASD friendly at all.
But I understand for the NT folk out there these events are a really big deal, and I don’t want them to feel bad about what they love.
But it’s rude to lie. I’d rather have honest friends. I invited a friend over and he said, “hey I’m really working on my honesty. I would love to go to your place but maybe another time because I really need my me time today.” I respected that.
It’s great if you are able to find people who are like that, but no one is under any obligation to be beholden to you like that. It comes across as incredibly manipulative to try to insist on that.
I guess I have trouble telling which level of masking I’m seeing talked about because I interpreted the op as a conscious thing whoops.
I do both levels. Like, I have “I don’t want to explain this thing” which I’m trying to stop on that conscious level, but I also experience the other side where certain circumstances are just like, flashes in my brain that pull out the only response that feels safe, or sometimes the only one that seems non-destructive, but not in a way that I’m capable of processing in the moment, and I don’t know why I do it often. Unraveling that is a lot harder, though, and while it is happening, maybe the less advanced state of that unmasking effort is also why I can’t see it being talked about.
Being the autistic person on the receiving end of this sort of communication can be kind of frustrating ngl
I genuinely hate the dishonesty. Why is it drilled in people to fake being nice? Why does one have to be so polite? There are ways to say no and still be polite. Or just simply say, hey thank you but I’m not super interested. Idk man. I’d rathe have a no than a maybe (probably not).
I think there are two ways of being polite, one is that fake-politeness you mention, the other is more of an avoidance of proactively hurting people’s feelings.
As an example let’s say you think gender reveal parties are stupid. Your friend invites you to their gender reveal party for their baby. Declining the invitation with a fake excuse is the first kind of polite. Just declining by saying you don’t want to go is the second. Proactively offering your opinion that gender reveal parties are stupid in general and your friend shouldn’t have one even though they didn’t ask and probably already scheduled it would be unnecessarily hurtful. On the other hand if they asked you what you think of gender reveal parties instead of inviting you I would not see it as rude to respond honestly. Also, if you decline politely and they keep probing deeper for reasons you are under no obligation to make up some fake reason.
This is a really helpful answer. The gender reveal party is a great example, because it’s an event people tend to get incredibly emotional and excited about, and also very defensive if they feel you are not as excited. That’s why making up an excuse or just politely decline is good. You shouldn’t really dampen their excitement if they are so much into it.
Most of these same emotionally high stakes special occasion social events are also of the type where you have to suffer through a whole day of pre-scripted interactions like fake smiles and small talk. Not ASD friendly at all.
But I understand for the NT folk out there these events are a really big deal, and I don’t want them to feel bad about what they love.
Because it’s rude to be open about not wanting to do something.
But it’s rude to lie. I’d rather have honest friends. I invited a friend over and he said, “hey I’m really working on my honesty. I would love to go to your place but maybe another time because I really need my me time today.” I respected that.
It’s great if you are able to find people who are like that, but no one is under any obligation to be beholden to you like that. It comes across as incredibly manipulative to try to insist on that.
People don’t choose their masking, but I do agree it really is frustrating to be on the receiving end.
I guess I have trouble telling which level of masking I’m seeing talked about because I interpreted the op as a conscious thing whoops.
I do both levels. Like, I have “I don’t want to explain this thing” which I’m trying to stop on that conscious level, but I also experience the other side where certain circumstances are just like, flashes in my brain that pull out the only response that feels safe, or sometimes the only one that seems non-destructive, but not in a way that I’m capable of processing in the moment, and I don’t know why I do it often. Unraveling that is a lot harder, though, and while it is happening, maybe the less advanced state of that unmasking effort is also why I can’t see it being talked about.