Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism. Still, the way the IDF behaves has to be condemned – and more and more countries are acting. The support of Europe is crumbling due to Israels actions.
You can call for anti colonialism without calling for the eradication of Israel. And no, Israel is not a colonial state. Jews have lived there since forever and Jews have not taken part in the colonialism, but instead were victims of the Europeans, too.
What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?
Thats no colonialism, but simply contrary to international law. Also your statement is BS, since the jews ‘from all over the world’ lived in that area before, but where expelled during Ottoman times.
Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism.
Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :
Many Palestinian activists have called it “a call for peace and equality” after decades
of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it is seen as a call for the
“destruction” of Israel.
Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.
It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.
One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.
The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.
I don’t like the Zionist position either. Both people lived in that area for thousands of years and either they get their shit together and live in a single country without discrimination against Palestinians and Arabs or there will be two states. But neither ‘from the river to the sea’ nor ‘west of Jordan’ are unproblematic statements.
Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism. Still, the way the IDF behaves has to be condemned – and more and more countries are acting. The support of Europe is crumbling due to Israels actions.
I think you mean anticolonialism.
You can call for anti colonialism without calling for the eradication of Israel. And no, Israel is not a colonial state. Jews have lived there since forever and Jews have not taken part in the colonialism, but instead were victims of the Europeans, too.
What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?
And this is still happening in the west bank.
Thats no colonialism, but simply contrary to international law. Also your statement is BS, since the jews ‘from all over the world’ lived in that area before, but where expelled during Ottoman times.
Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.
It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.
One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.
The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel Read it and then say again “from the river to the sea is antisemitic”.
I don’t like the Zionist position either. Both people lived in that area for thousands of years and either they get their shit together and live in a single country without discrimination against Palestinians and Arabs or there will be two states. But neither ‘from the river to the sea’ nor ‘west of Jordan’ are unproblematic statements.
Chiefly, it also has the added benefit of being a phrase that you can rhyme with the word “free”