I use Brave as a backup browser. My main one is Firefox.
You can turn off the crypto stuff. You don’t have to use Brave Shields (in browser ad blocker). It can be turned off. Now you can use uBlock Origin or another ad blocker.
About the CEO, I can’t see nothing about his beliefs reflecting in his work. Looks like he kept them separated. I’m not for said beliefs.
That you can is besides the point. You shouldn’t need to. If the first thing I need to think about after installing it is “well, let’s see what garbage is in here that I need to turn off”, then any trust I would have for it has already gone out the window. Especially important odor a browser where that is kind of the main differentiating aspect.
Firefox has telemetry. You can opt out and delete it, but by that logic it shouldn’t be trusted either. Also, I doubt people who really care about privacy don’t harden firefox. Being able to is not besides the point.
By that logic, Firefox would be in the same boat. After initially installing, you have to turn off data collection in the settings and disable Pocket in the config.
It still has to be feature rich and work or of the box. I haven’t been back to Firefox in a few years, but it was pretty dumpy by comparison to brave. I’ll look again but the key feature of a browser to me isn’t “it’s not Google, it’s Foss, and I don’t have to disable stuff”.
I’m gonna hope you’re a fellow Linux user if that’s the perspective you take.
I wasn’t arguing for Firefox or FOSS. It just seems to me that if your selling point is trust and privacy (at least it is what I see people citing as Brave’s Big Thing), you should be as transparent and irreproachable in that regard as possible. Having said this, of course, good features can be enough for the trade-off to be worth it (this is true of pretty much every piece of software out there, Chrome included), depending t each user finds more important.
But you can make changes once damning information is discovered or attempt to research products and services to try and minimize your own impact on others suffering.
It’s like with climate change. Germany has laws against climate change. But they have a small problem:
85% of CO2 is from China and USA. and even like 10% from that 15% comes from poor countries like India or Indonesia, which can’t be asked for any change.
I try to not live in a lie. We need to be pragmatic. I believe in transparency of FOSS. But at the same time I think Firefox is doomed to die a slow death.
One swallow does not make a summer.
I use Brave as a backup browser. My main one is Firefox.
You can turn off the crypto stuff. You don’t have to use Brave Shields (in browser ad blocker). It can be turned off. Now you can use uBlock Origin or another ad blocker.
About the CEO, I can’t see nothing about his beliefs reflecting in his work. Looks like he kept them separated. I’m not for said beliefs.
That you can is besides the point. You shouldn’t need to. If the first thing I need to think about after installing it is “well, let’s see what garbage is in here that I need to turn off”, then any trust I would have for it has already gone out the window. Especially important odor a browser where that is kind of the main differentiating aspect.
Firefox has telemetry. You can opt out and delete it, but by that logic it shouldn’t be trusted either. Also, I doubt people who really care about privacy don’t harden firefox. Being able to is not besides the point.
Idk if I’m doing something different but for me, the crypto stuff seems to be opt in.
Like you have to create a wallet it seems, they don’t make one for you.
The article (and these comments) are rife with half-truths and pitchforks. (And I use Firefox).
By that logic, Firefox would be in the same boat. After initially installing, you have to turn off data collection in the settings and disable Pocket in the config.
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It still has to be feature rich and work or of the box. I haven’t been back to Firefox in a few years, but it was pretty dumpy by comparison to brave. I’ll look again but the key feature of a browser to me isn’t “it’s not Google, it’s Foss, and I don’t have to disable stuff”.
I’m gonna hope you’re a fellow Linux user if that’s the perspective you take.
I wasn’t arguing for Firefox or FOSS. It just seems to me that if your selling point is trust and privacy (at least it is what I see people citing as Brave’s Big Thing), you should be as transparent and irreproachable in that regard as possible. Having said this, of course, good features can be enough for the trade-off to be worth it (this is true of pretty much every piece of software out there, Chrome included), depending t each user finds more important.
You use linux but your primary criteria for the most used program on a PC is not having to configure it?
That’s a pretty odd middle ground to take.
I think you misread me. I said I don’t mind configuring. It’s not hard to turn off default options.
There’s a degoogled chromium you can use as backup if you like.
Here’s the links for all who care.
https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-windows
Building a browser from source every security update sucks.
It’s just a normal application??
I use Arch and Debian and I don’t think I ever had to build ungoogled chromium from source before (unless I wanted to, which I didn’t).
The AUR binary is newish (1yr old).
It wasn’t there last time I gave ungoogled-chromium a shot.
Thats what I use and it’s great.
I use brave as my backup in windows and linux. And my default for Android to sync bookmarks.
Firefox android experience have always been subpar for me even without Darkreader which is known to slow down the browser in Android.
Why use a product that pays a bad actor tho?
There are other options, free options.
By using his product you’re contributing to his political views. You know that though, don’t you…
By that logic. You can’t use nothing who going against your beliefs. That’s impossible, because you can’t know every company beliefs.
But you can make changes once damning information is discovered or attempt to research products and services to try and minimize your own impact on others suffering.
No you can’t bruh. You want to see changes? Go and win a fucking election. No one cares about your insignificant product choices.
Yeah you’re exactly what capitalism wants you to be. It’s pretty sad. Poor guy.
It’s like with climate change. Germany has laws against climate change. But they have a small problem: 85% of CO2 is from China and USA. and even like 10% from that 15% comes from poor countries like India or Indonesia, which can’t be asked for any change. I try to not live in a lie. We need to be pragmatic. I believe in transparency of FOSS. But at the same time I think Firefox is doomed to die a slow death. One swallow does not make a summer.
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I’m an Eastern European and I support LGBT people, because I’m one of them. Why are you talking as if you’re speaking for all Eastern Europeans?
They do this with the goal to replace the tracking and ad network with their own. The article points out several instances where they’ve done this.
It’s not really right wing. It’s just anti type of human. You can be a conservative without the deep desire to suppress a type of person or lifestyle.
You sound like you might be one of those folks who’s fallen for the propaganda that conservatism is about “tradition” or “caution” or “moderation” or whatever. Please allow me to disabuse you of that misconception. Conservatism has always been about maintaining social hierarchy by working to marginalize groups of “others.”
Love this, super enlightening!
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I hate Brave quite enough for purely technical and business model reasons. The shitty political views of the CEO are just an added anti-bonus.