• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Russia giving back all the territory they took would also be a framework for lasting peace.

    Yes, it would be. Assuming the civil war was also resolved. The problem is that getting there requires throwing a ton of more lives into the meat grinder, which is worse for the Ukrainian people than accepting territorial concessions.

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          Russia returns to the borders that were negotiated with Ukraine after they gained independence, borders they agreed not to cross if Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, and in return the world will lift sanctions against Russia. Everyone gains.

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              It’s unrealistic to expect Putin to accept any terms beyond “Ukraine is Russia’s,” but you were talking about negotiations as if he were willing to negotiate.

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                Neither part of that is remotely true. Putin has not claimed all of Ukraine, and he has offered to negotiate. For example.

                It’s Ukraine and the US that have refused to negotiate.

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                  Your link says he wants to keep all of Ukraine he captured as an essential part of the so-called negotiation. That is about as serious an offer to negotiate a ceasefire as what Israel has put on the table and I think you know that.

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                  In his 2021 essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”, Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Denying_Ukrainian_nationhood_and_statehood

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                    A ceasefire along current lines is a hell of a lot more realistic than demanding a full withdrawal as a precondition for talks.

                    It seems like just a bit of a leap to go from an essay challenging the idea of Ukrainian nationhood to saying that Putin will reject all negotiations and won’t accept anything less than full annexation.