• Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
    93·
    1 year ago

    Well this is really dumb lol

    You think the economy is 100% oil?

    If we stop subsidizing those fucks and start subsidizing renewables instead, we’d still have high gdp without oil

    • hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.worldOPM
      53·
      1 year ago

      nope

      not enough lithium and copper on earth to do that

      you could triple nuclear power plants and reorganize cities to replace cars with bikes as often as possible, but an economy without oil is utopian.

    • grayman@lemmy.world
      24·
      1 year ago

      Do some research on windmill manufacturing and waste and rare earth mineral mining for solar. It’s super scary. Nuclear or oil. That’s the only reasonable choice we have at scale right now until major new technologies are found.

          • Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social
            2·
            1 year ago

            Yeah and they all say similar to this:

            A new report by the French Environment and Energy Management Agency (Ademe) shows that rare earth minerals are not widely used in solar energy and battery storage technologies. And despite their name, they aren’t actually that rare at all.

            “Their criticality is mainly related to the current virtual monopoly of China for extraction and processing,” the agency said, noting that the country accounted for 86% of the world’s production of rare earth minerals in 2017.

            The extraction of rare earths has a significant toxicological impact on the environment, depending on the nature of the reserves. Ademe said the presence of thorium and uranium in deposits can mean that rare earths create a type of radioactive pollution that is different from other types of waste. However, the agency ultimately concluded that the renewable energy sector actually barely uses such materials.

            https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/11/28/are-rare-earths-used-in-solar-panels/

            Besides, remember that you’re comparing localized pollution with globalized pollution:

            Cumulative CO2 emissions related to materials for [future, 100% decarbonized] electricity infrastructure may be substantial (4–29 Gt CO2eq in 1.5°C scenarios) but consume only a minor share of global carbon budgets (1%–9% of a 320 Gt CO2eq 1.5°C 66% avoidance budget).

            https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(23)00001-6

            Even in a worst-case scenario, polluting one area to save the planet is a no-brainer tradeoff.