It’s discrediting valid concerns against card-payments. It’s invalidating how great cash is.
It’s when the worst person you know makes a good point.
And things now are so Culture-Wars-y, nobody makes solid analyses any more, that when the far-right say cards are bad, everybody jumps to thinking cards are good.
I don’t agree that the reaction to what rightwingers say is so thoughtlessly contrary. In my experience, the reaction is usually “…huh, not what I expected, but okay. Oh, wait, THAT’S the reason they hate it? Nevermind…”
Why is it a bad thing if someone you don’t like says something sensible?
There’s a lot of natural alliance between the anti-establishment on the right and the left… that’s why the establishment spends so much money and effort making propaganda, trying to make sure that the natural rage of the screwed-over gets channeled to the far right. The rage gets aimed at the left, instead of being properly directed at the people who are screwing them.
I don’t feel like it’s helping if someone who’s a victim of that propaganda makes a good decision, and people on the left don’t want to acknowledge it.
Agreed. This kinda looks like rage-bait anyhow. OP’s argument is pretty sloppy, too.
A: Some far-right activists and conspiracy theories are advocating against card-payments and for cash
B: discrediting valid concerns against card-payments.It’d be a pretty tough argument, but B doesn’t follow from A directly and would need some heavy lifting in between. Also, OP’s post is most def “culture-wars-y.”
A lot of people just like their team, and the other team is the enemy, and that’s about the size of it. 😕
The leader said you’d say that.
The lack of privacy is kind of the point. I can never go back to cash. Yes, there’s a ton of problems with credit cards and definitely censorship issues, but the pros still heavily outweigh the cons. Money is dirty, messy to deal with, change is a nightmare, can get lost, can get stolen, can’t really carry around large amounts, and is generally really bulky to carry around.
While the last pandemic investigation showed that those machines where you put in your pin in supermarkets had more bacteria/viruses than cash. Much more people using those terminals more frequently than any same coin or same bill.
Digital money is stolen more often and in higher amounts. People who are glorifying credit cards do it until they got scammed or hacked and loose all their savings or even their identity. They go from “credit card fuck yeah” to “why have I been so stupid?” within a minute.
And why would you even carry a large amount of money with you? People who use cash, use common sense in general.
Credit cards have charge backs and fraud protection, buddy. You are significantly safer using them. That’s the benefit to them being privacy invasive.
Using chip is also a bit cleaner then swiping. You also don’t use just a single dollar bill or coin, you are touching multiple quantities, giving and receiving.
Also your other replies are super toxic and you talk like a child so I’m just going to block you here.
Always those pathetic people overwhelmed by their own lives…
Uhh yucky money!
I must live in a glass bell to protect me and never ever let my immune system do its job!
Sounds like one of those people in infomercials who can’t handle pouring juice in a cup. Cash is a nightmare, bulky? Really?
Have you ever put cash in your wallet? It gets fat really quick. Not to mention, who wants to carry dirty coins around. Cash in general is disgusting.
I’m imagining black and white b-roll of someone trying to stuff a crumpled up wad of bills into a wallet and fishing quarters out of a toilet.
“There’s got to be a better way!”
Why do you carry coins around…?
Because not everything we buy adds up to an exact dollar amount?
If only there were some way to exchange coins for notes…imagine if someone even invented an automated machine that could do it in seconds! But I guess that will never happen. Nope, just gotta keep hauling my sack of coins around like I’m in some old Disney cartoon…
You do that after every single cash transaction?
Surely there’s a long period between that and a transaction, I don’t know why I have to explain such an incredibly basic thing. This is what like every single person does.
What a strange person.
And so we return to my original question: why do you carry coins around?
No, you obviously don’t do it after every transaction. You save the change until you have plenty saved up and then exchange it for bills. This is what like every single person does.
What a strange person
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they’ve always done that
They will always correctly identify the pincers and the stinger, but they will never mention a scorpion.
If its the same point, and you agree with it, wouldn’t it be stupid to not agree with the same point, but said by someone else you hate?
Everyone needs privacy, especially people whom you hate.
the lack of privacy with cards is primarily what is giving you security with them. trust factors will always exist somewhere in the chain.
to be more to the point of the post, though, you can agree with a person’s singular opinion without supporting or agreeing with that person.
We have several stores that refuse to accept cash. A few weeks ago, we had a pretty harsh storm that knocked out power to major parts of the city for a little over a week. The area where these stores are was affected. All the stores next to them have always accepted cash. The surrounding stores continued to have business for that week, while those cash-deterrent stores had no business, and lost their edge (niche market, but they opened first in the area, so people knew them best). It’s been weeks, and those stores still have not picked up foot traffic to levels before the blackout, and one just had a liquidation sale and will likely close soon. Cash should always be an option. Otherwise, we give up our independence from the supporting systems (electricity, internet, payment processors, etc.). On a side note, cash is a lot more private than card.
I recently learned that all governments participating in the Euro guarantee that business have to accept cash. Refusing it is a violation of the accords.
I didn’t know that. That’s a cool tidbit!
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That is illegal where I am. Everyone has to accept cash, here.
I think it’s illegal here, too, but they started doing this at covid, after years of trying. If you fight them with it and try to make them accept cash, they’ll just ask you leave. If you stay after being asked to leave, you’re now trespassing, which is also illegal and is treated much more harshly than refusing to accept cash.
Sane and reasonable people spent several decades advocating the use of cash instead of cards since at least the 1970s, until we mostly gave up. Who knows, maybe the newly invigorated crazy people will do better. They can’t do much worse.
This is a non-post, as it doesn’t even bring its own analysis to the table. What are the valid concerns against card payments? What is so great about cash?
The convenience of card payments heavily outweighs the (i assume privacy) concerns. So what if anyone knows I stuffed myself with an unhealthy amount of chips? I keep my cash for things that don’t accept other ways of payment, like bus fare and my drug dealer.
I see your point, though. It isn’t solely applicable to this issue; any discussion is mudded by disagreeing just for the sake of rejecting anything anyone with an opposing view on a distinct and unrelated subject.
In the UK buses and taxis increasingly take cards, and are phasing out cash. Same goes for shops. Having a card becomes the norm because it’s less fiddly and more convenient - great!
To open a bank account you need a fixed address and proof of ID in the form of a passport or driving license.
In the last year several thousand people have had bank accounts closed under the presumption of being a “politically vulnerable person”, one example was a teacher who went to volunteer in Ukraine for while.
If your bank account is overdrawn you get fees and are unable to use your card.
My mother is 85 and doesn’t understand ATMs, never mind online banking. The decreased access to cash has left her confused, and when stressed she can’t remember her pin number.
So, the most vulnerable in society are gradually being squeezed out of the ability to live day-to-day thanks to cash being phased out … the same is a desirable end-point for many capitalists elsewhere in the first world because they don’t see the value of people on the bottom rung.
I agree electronic payments are more beneficial than harmful. In terms of privacy in the mass surveillance world we live in, using cash just forces the watchers to use your cellphone data instead. I think privacy these days is mostly about living an uninteresting life.
Cops have been able to track people down with just unique shirts bought online. If they can track the shirt down, they can get a warrant to find the card used to establish that you’re indeed the suspect. “I don’t do bad thing” is a pointless argument, because like cops say, anything can be used against you.
I just bought a new wallet that has a coin pouch because I use cash (and coins) so frequently.
Even if I disagree with a political faction often, I’m perfectly willing to show support when I do agree. It’s the honest thing to do.
yeah, I keep seeing some graffiti calling people to pay by cash in order to “stop NWO” around here. yuck.
Smells like Poland, I’ve seen a lot of “STOP NWO” “PŁAĆ GOTÓWKĄ” grafitti all over the place. Probably drawn by a singular guy seeing how similar they’ve looked and had the same color.
oh god, it’s spreading
Unfortunately, too bad I actually like using cash not just for privacy but for covenience reasons. I also like advocating for the use of cash and keeping it instead of abandoning it.
I also don’t like being extremely over reliant on technology so the WeChat ecosystem of China annoys me.
And then there’s people like that 😒
Visa is an evil genius
There’s a ton of far right wing privacy advocates. For me personally, a social libertarian / anarcho communist, it seems like theyre drawing the same conclusions about privacy advocacy and open source from a completely different set of premises. For me, I view privacy as a right that’s been eroded ever since the advent of the concept of total war, to the point now that capitalists engage in surveillance espionage casually to sell collected data not even to the highest bidder, but instead at commodity prices. What’s the inflection point of supply and demand, basically
Meanwhile a lot of people on the right wing don’t view open source as a great equalizer, benefiting all of society, but rather as a tool for themselves for personal benefit. I honestly never fully find myself understanding their premises to be honest. But I’ve for sure seen antisemitism and racism arguments bandied about, which is a Y I K E S.
As far as public perception goes, I don’t really know what to say there. Yeah, I guess, it is indeed frustrating to have your average John or Jane assuming anyone using an encrypted messenger is probably a terrorist. I don’t think the solution is give up, but instead explain your stance and premises
I consider myself right leaning but I don’t think subscribing to right vs left wing ideology is nearly as important as supporting liberty vs authoritarianism. A lot of folks on both sides claims to believe in liberty but in actually they’re authoritarians in disguise because they just want the government to step in and eliminate dissent. I have a close friend who’s an anarcho communist just like you and whenever we have these discussions it just stays on a thought experiment level and has never harmed our relationships. Since at the end of the day we agree that people should be left alone.
What a great thing it is, to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it.
A broken clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes.
I’m as dead centre as it gets. On some topics, I’ll gently lean left or right, but try to be balanced in my analysis of things.
I advocate for cash, as I also advocate for privacy. It doesn’t make me far right.
There are plenty of reasons for cash. For me, it’s privacy. For others, I’m sure there are some solid, and some whacky reasons also.
The real issue for me will be the digital dollar. Every dollar will be tracked through every transaction it’s ever involved in. From inception into eternity. The ability for that data to be abused is terrifying.
I’ll keep using cash as long as it exists compared to what’s coming with the digital dollar.
