My grandmother was born in Berlin, Germany in 1938. She watched the Gestapo put a handgun to her grandfathers head and murder him because he wouldn’t give up his grandsons to fight the russians towards the end of the war. Seeing an old woman cry towards the end of her life about the horrors of ww2 and the atrocities of nazis then the subsequent pillaging of berlin by russian soldiers (she witnessed her mother get gang raped by russian soldiers) i find your comment to be ignorant and offensive, Trump isnt a nazi and if he was you would’ve seen him arm his supporters to the teeth with military grade equipment and wholesale murder liberals like it was going out of style
For me, it’s like trying to convince a Q person that Trump wasn’t some master of political chess and that he had a secret army arresting politicians left and right, I don’t know if you hear what I’m saying maybe I didn’t explain it right. I just think that if Hitler a man who literally was in jail, could devise a plan after getting out of jail of somehow going from unknown guy who wrote Mein Kampf to having a fanatical army armed to the teeth that I think a billionaire would’ve had an easier time, but that’s just my opinion.
I hear you and I understand you. Remember, tfg wanted to “just start shooting” protesters, redrew a hurricane’s projected path, wanted to nuke the hurricanes iirc, etc. The “adults in the room” did a piss-poor job of whistle-blowing, but my goodness, had they not contained him as much as they did, I’m pretty sure his worst would have looked a lot more dire.
Thank you for an amicable reply that furthers thought. I’m just of the opinion he really wanted to go that way. I’m open to deeper thought experiment, if you want to continue this.
Btw, I am sorry if I came off as dismissive or minimizing of your predecessors’ experience. That’s not my intention and I don’t want to be insensitive. I’m very afraid that if something isn’t done to curb the rightward slide my country is experiencing, we’re going to get there quickly.
Nuking hurricanes is a surprisingly recurrent idea, it’s been around since the 50ies, and is probably the most American thing ever.
Personally I think the Bush administration did more harm with its senseless wars, pointless torture and mass surveillance programs.
And the Biden administration ‘Ministry of Truth’ is downright Orwellian.
Trump was horrible as far as discourse is concerned, but actions wise, US policy has been consistently evil. Only less openly so.
Of course I don’t live there, so my view reflects that.
We may not agree on everything but i think that ppl need to talk more from both sides and not dismiss the other, ostracizing ppl is wrong, we are all guilty of it, human nature sucks
Criticism isn’t wrong, it can be healthy and productive. How people criticize is another topic. I’m blunt and it comes off the wrong way. I’m sorry for that, I’m thinking it’s because my compatriots and certain neighbors are outright rude and it’s because we’ve so underserved ourselves, academically, financially, and humanitarianly.
Not to diminish that experience. But that also started with people laughing at Hitler all over Europe. Just like we laughed at Trump, our luck is that America seems to be 50/50 not 80/20 like the Nazis benfore WW2.
Hey maybe all America needs is extreme poverty for more people to give in to the strong man logic and we ain’t safe.
Your story is moving but the nazis existed before that and before they where in power. Germany was a democracy that became a fascist state. It did not start out with guns to the head. This is what he and others mean when they call him a fascist. Not ww2 fully have taken over fascist but the having barfights with communists fascists before the took over.
I’m sorry that happened to your grandmother but what does that have to do with that? Parent comment says he is a fascist and never mentions Nazis (though he also happens to be one).
Having a grandmother traumatized by the horrors of war doesn’t make you an expert in the politics that started it. Going by your logic, my grandfather fought Nazis in WWII and that makes me uniquely qualified to tell you trump is a fascist that is mostly interested by the capital being a ruler brings him, and that he absolutely endorses the killing of Jewish people and minorities in general, as that bolsters the base that gives him money. Bolstering that base makes them arm themselves politically and personally, giving rise to the current fascist laws being passed in red states and the countless right wing domestic terrorist groups. As someone who would be a target of both of these were I living in the united states, I find your comment to be ignorant and offensive. Trump is a Nazi and you can see him enticing his Nazi voter base to arm themselves with military grade equipment and preparing to wholesale murder liberals like it’s going out of style.
Scathing! I might have chosen to say “a bit myopic ,” as I well-understand the sensitivity around this topic and saved “ignorant and offensive” for an adjacent topic, but otherwise, I’m older and stuck in said red state. I’m quite alarmed at the current state of policy.
No-one said he is a Nazi, just that he’s a fascist. There are multiple different flavours of fascism – it isn’t all literally shooting people in the head and ordering thousands of people into death camps, it can be more subtle and insidious than that.
Also worth mentioning that fascism generally doesn’t start with the ethnic cleansing and mass murder, it starts with things like; scapegoating minorities, being overly tough on crime, and peddling misinformation. It takes quite a few years for the fascists to gain enough power to be able to enact the kind of policies that are generally pretty unpopular among normal people.
All im saying is my grandmother witnessed it firsthand and extra part of the story, her mother shaved her head as the russians were pillaging the city so she would look like a little boy cz she hadn’t developed breasts yet, that way the russians wouldn’t rape her cz the russians soldiers were ruthless animals, but war is disgusting
Go check out what UN peacekeepers do in war-ravaged countries, in fact, recall abu ghirab and other US atrocities. Let’s not collectively assume all Russian soldiers are “animals.” We’re all animals and bloodlust isn’t as far from us as we may prefer to think.
I’m in agreement with you and i think we share more in common in thought than what we realize, I am not the poster child of bipartisanship given my history on this website and others however, I’ve always been a believer in freedom of thought and speech as it helps us find common ground and find out what we can easily make progress on in this experimental republic known as the United States, it is important to have these conversations, because hyper partisanship amongst the people leads to hyper partisanship in government which inevitably leads to Civil War. A battlefield of debate is a much easier path than a battlefield of lead and blood. I have read the Bible front to back multiple times and sometimes I feel like a terrible person for the things I’ve said to others online and about my fellow man. I guess what I’m saying is the world is evil and it’s easy to get sucked into that evil; although I think there’s more good than evil in this world. It’s entirely up to you, but I’ve created a community that values free-speech, and when I first opened it three years ago, it was filled with people of all kinds of beliefs, and was truly an enlightening place until it was stolen from me by those claiming censorship was the better alternative to what I was offering. Three websites later here I am and I’m offering you the opportunity to speak freely in a community that I moderate where disgusting personal attacks are not allowed and conversation must be kept civil. Although my instance, probably doesn’t have a lot of liberals in it or or liberal minded people are in. I welcome those who want to step outside their comfort zone and echo chambers are to speak to the other side and see where things go even if we don’t always agree, and things get a little tense, but know that as moderator, I will protect your right to speak freely, and without disgusting hostility, and this rum, even though you will find those that disagree with you, I hope to see you there friend
https://exploding-heads.com/c/freeforumfamily
Ive read about hitlers rise to power, I actually posted a detailed documentary on it as well, ill share it here for reference, I encourage all of you guys to watch it, https://youtu.be/yWqnnUeD6cw
I would tell you to pay close attention to how german ppl felt hopeless before and then hitler promised such good things. And for the record for those who don’t know nazi were national socialists for reference here is wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
But seriously watch the documentary, it’s extremely informative, (also not for nothing but i been hearing nothing but trump is a nazi, his supporters are nazis for 8 years now so im sorry but lets not pretend comments with dates dont exist, no offense)
With respect, I think that’s exactly what’s happening here, and pretending “socialist” wasn’t a part of his plot to attract commoners -volk- is somewhat disingenuous.
I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.
And old
He’s the total package! Like, the kind of package you’d set on fire and leave on a neighbor’s porch.
My grandmother was born in Berlin, Germany in 1938. She watched the Gestapo put a handgun to her grandfathers head and murder him because he wouldn’t give up his grandsons to fight the russians towards the end of the war. Seeing an old woman cry towards the end of her life about the horrors of ww2 and the atrocities of nazis then the subsequent pillaging of berlin by russian soldiers (she witnessed her mother get gang raped by russian soldiers) i find your comment to be ignorant and offensive, Trump isnt a nazi and if he was you would’ve seen him arm his supporters to the teeth with military grade equipment and wholesale murder liberals like it was going out of style
It wasn’t for lack of trying.
For me, it’s like trying to convince a Q person that Trump wasn’t some master of political chess and that he had a secret army arresting politicians left and right, I don’t know if you hear what I’m saying maybe I didn’t explain it right. I just think that if Hitler a man who literally was in jail, could devise a plan after getting out of jail of somehow going from unknown guy who wrote Mein Kampf to having a fanatical army armed to the teeth that I think a billionaire would’ve had an easier time, but that’s just my opinion.
I hear you and I understand you. Remember, tfg wanted to “just start shooting” protesters, redrew a hurricane’s projected path, wanted to nuke the hurricanes iirc, etc. The “adults in the room” did a piss-poor job of whistle-blowing, but my goodness, had they not contained him as much as they did, I’m pretty sure his worst would have looked a lot more dire.
Thank you for an amicable reply that furthers thought. I’m just of the opinion he really wanted to go that way. I’m open to deeper thought experiment, if you want to continue this.
Btw, I am sorry if I came off as dismissive or minimizing of your predecessors’ experience. That’s not my intention and I don’t want to be insensitive. I’m very afraid that if something isn’t done to curb the rightward slide my country is experiencing, we’re going to get there quickly.
Nuking hurricanes is a surprisingly recurrent idea, it’s been around since the 50ies, and is probably the most American thing ever.
Personally I think the Bush administration did more harm with its senseless wars, pointless torture and mass surveillance programs.
And the Biden administration ‘Ministry of Truth’ is downright Orwellian.
Trump was horrible as far as discourse is concerned, but actions wise, US policy has been consistently evil. Only less openly so.
Of course I don’t live there, so my view reflects that.
I live here on the Southeastern seaboard, and concur!
We may not agree on everything but i think that ppl need to talk more from both sides and not dismiss the other, ostracizing ppl is wrong, we are all guilty of it, human nature sucks
Criticism isn’t wrong, it can be healthy and productive. How people criticize is another topic. I’m blunt and it comes off the wrong way. I’m sorry for that, I’m thinking it’s because my compatriots and certain neighbors are outright rude and it’s because we’ve so underserved ourselves, academically, financially, and humanitarianly.
Not to diminish that experience. But that also started with people laughing at Hitler all over Europe. Just like we laughed at Trump, our luck is that America seems to be 50/50 not 80/20 like the Nazis benfore WW2.
Hey maybe all America needs is extreme poverty for more people to give in to the strong man logic and we ain’t safe.
Your story is moving but the nazis existed before that and before they where in power. Germany was a democracy that became a fascist state. It did not start out with guns to the head. This is what he and others mean when they call him a fascist. Not ww2 fully have taken over fascist but the having barfights with communists fascists before the took over.
I’m sorry that happened to your grandmother but what does that have to do with that? Parent comment says he is a fascist and never mentions Nazis (though he also happens to be one).
Having a grandmother traumatized by the horrors of war doesn’t make you an expert in the politics that started it. Going by your logic, my grandfather fought Nazis in WWII and that makes me uniquely qualified to tell you trump is a fascist that is mostly interested by the capital being a ruler brings him, and that he absolutely endorses the killing of Jewish people and minorities in general, as that bolsters the base that gives him money. Bolstering that base makes them arm themselves politically and personally, giving rise to the current fascist laws being passed in red states and the countless right wing domestic terrorist groups. As someone who would be a target of both of these were I living in the united states, I find your comment to be ignorant and offensive. Trump is a Nazi and you can see him enticing his Nazi voter base to arm themselves with military grade equipment and preparing to wholesale murder liberals like it’s going out of style.
Scathing! I might have chosen to say “a bit myopic ,” as I well-understand the sensitivity around this topic and saved “ignorant and offensive” for an adjacent topic, but otherwise, I’m older and stuck in said red state. I’m quite alarmed at the current state of policy.
No-one said he is a Nazi, just that he’s a fascist. There are multiple different flavours of fascism – it isn’t all literally shooting people in the head and ordering thousands of people into death camps, it can be more subtle and insidious than that.
Also worth mentioning that fascism generally doesn’t start with the ethnic cleansing and mass murder, it starts with things like; scapegoating minorities, being overly tough on crime, and peddling misinformation. It takes quite a few years for the fascists to gain enough power to be able to enact the kind of policies that are generally pretty unpopular among normal people.
Hitler’s first power-grab failed. The Beerhall Putsch was not his first attempt to seize power, iirc.
All im saying is my grandmother witnessed it firsthand and extra part of the story, her mother shaved her head as the russians were pillaging the city so she would look like a little boy cz she hadn’t developed breasts yet, that way the russians wouldn’t rape her cz the russians soldiers were ruthless animals, but war is disgusting
Go check out what UN peacekeepers do in war-ravaged countries, in fact, recall abu ghirab and other US atrocities. Let’s not collectively assume all Russian soldiers are “animals.” We’re all animals and bloodlust isn’t as far from us as we may prefer to think.
You’re excusing Soviet atrocities by saying “what about the US.” Try doing the same trick to excuse Nazi atrocities.
Tankies are disgusting.
I’m in agreement with you and i think we share more in common in thought than what we realize, I am not the poster child of bipartisanship given my history on this website and others however, I’ve always been a believer in freedom of thought and speech as it helps us find common ground and find out what we can easily make progress on in this experimental republic known as the United States, it is important to have these conversations, because hyper partisanship amongst the people leads to hyper partisanship in government which inevitably leads to Civil War. A battlefield of debate is a much easier path than a battlefield of lead and blood. I have read the Bible front to back multiple times and sometimes I feel like a terrible person for the things I’ve said to others online and about my fellow man. I guess what I’m saying is the world is evil and it’s easy to get sucked into that evil; although I think there’s more good than evil in this world. It’s entirely up to you, but I’ve created a community that values free-speech, and when I first opened it three years ago, it was filled with people of all kinds of beliefs, and was truly an enlightening place until it was stolen from me by those claiming censorship was the better alternative to what I was offering. Three websites later here I am and I’m offering you the opportunity to speak freely in a community that I moderate where disgusting personal attacks are not allowed and conversation must be kept civil. Although my instance, probably doesn’t have a lot of liberals in it or or liberal minded people are in. I welcome those who want to step outside their comfort zone and echo chambers are to speak to the other side and see where things go even if we don’t always agree, and things get a little tense, but know that as moderator, I will protect your right to speak freely, and without disgusting hostility, and this rum, even though you will find those that disagree with you, I hope to see you there friend https://exploding-heads.com/c/freeforumfamily
Thanks, I’ll check it out later.
I would rather be on hand with 10 men than absent with 10,000~ Tamerlane It was good speaking with you, take care
Thank you. Would be good if all bipartisan commoners could be as civil.
ok so this has nothing to do with trump being a fash
Ive read about hitlers rise to power, I actually posted a detailed documentary on it as well, ill share it here for reference, I encourage all of you guys to watch it, https://youtu.be/yWqnnUeD6cw I would tell you to pay close attention to how german ppl felt hopeless before and then hitler promised such good things. And for the record for those who don’t know nazi were national socialists for reference here is wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism But seriously watch the documentary, it’s extremely informative, (also not for nothing but i been hearing nothing but trump is a nazi, his supporters are nazis for 8 years now so im sorry but lets not pretend comments with dates dont exist, no offense)
With respect, I think that’s exactly what’s happening here, and pretending “socialist” wasn’t a part of his plot to attract commoners -volk- is somewhat disingenuous.