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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)
just delivered a commission on why bitcoin is very like hawk tuah
this seasonās word is: kleptokakistocracy
Can we all take a moment to appreciate this absolutely wild take from Googleās latest quantum press release (bolding mine) https://blog.google/technology/research/google-willow-quantum-chip/
Willowās performance on this benchmark is astonishing: It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of todayās fastest supercomputers 1025 or 10 septillion years. If you want to write it out, itās 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. This mind-boggling number exceeds known timescales in physics and vastly exceeds the age of the universe. It lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes, in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse, a prediction first made by David Deutsch.
The more I think about it the stupider it gets. Iād love if someone with an actual physics background were to comment on it. But my layman take is it reads as nonsense to the point of being irresponsible scientific misinformation whether or not you believe in the many worlds interpretation.
āQuantum computation happens in parallel worlds simultaneouslyā is a lazy take trotted out by people who want to believe in parallel worlds. It is a bad mental image, because it gives the misleading impression that a quantum computer could speed up anything. But all the indications from the actual math are that quantum computers would be better at some tasks than at others. (If you want to use the names that CS people have invented for complexity classes, this imagery would lead you to think that quantum computers could whack any problem in EXPSPACE. But the actual complexity class for āproblems efficiently solvable on a quantum computerā, BQP, is known to be contained in PSPACE, which is strictly smaller than EXPSPACE.) It also completely obscures the very important point that some tasks look like theyād need a quantum computer ā the program is written in quantum circuit language and all that ā but a classical computer can actually do the job efficiently. Accepting the goofy pop-science/science-fiction imagery as truth would mean youād never imagine the GottesmanāKnill theorem could be true.
To quote a paper by Andy Steane, one of the early contributors to quantum error correction:
The answer to the question āwhere does a quantum computer manage to perform its amazing computations?ā is, we conclude, āin the region of spacetime occupied by the quantum computerā.
Tangentially, I know about nothing of quantum mechanics but lately Iāve been very annoyed alone in my head at (the popular perception of?) many-world theory in general. From what Iām understanding about it, there are two possibilities: either itās pure metaphysics, in which case who cares? or itās a truism, i.e. if we model things that way that makes it so we can talk about reality in this way. Thisā¦ might be true of all quantum interpretations, but many-world annoys me more because itās such a literal vision trying to be cool.
I donāt know, tell me if Iām off the mark!
Unfortunately āstates of quantum systems form a vector space, and states are often usefully described as linear combinations of other statesā doesnāt make for good science fiction compared to āwhoa dude, like, the multiverse, man.ā
Thereās a whole lot of assuming-the-conclusion in advocacy for many-worlds interpretations ā sometimes from philosophers, and all the time from Yuddites online. If you make a whole bunch of tacit assumptions, starting with those about how mathematics relates to physical reality, you end up in MWI country. And if you make sure your assumptions stay tacit, you can act like an MWI is the only answer, and everyone else is being
un-mutualirrational.(I use the plural interpretations here because thereās not just one flavor of MWIce cream. The people who take it seriously have been arguing amongst one another about how to make it work for half a century now. What does it mean for one event to be more probable than another if all events always happen? When is one āworldā distinct from another? The arguments iterate like the construction of a fractal curve.)
Humans canāt help but return to questions the presocratics already struggled with. Makes me happy.
Does it also destroy all the universes where the question was answered wrong?
One of these days weāll get the quantum bogosort working.
ālends credenceā? yeah, that smells like BS.
some marketing person probably saw that the time estimate of the conventional computation exceeded the age of the universe multiple times over, and decided that must mean multiple universes were somehow involved, because big number bigger than smaller number
these are some silly numbers. if all this is irreversible computation and if landauer principle holds and thereās no excessive trickery or creative accounting involved, then theyād need to dissipate something in range of 4.7E23 J at 1mK, or 112 Tt of TNT equivalent (112 million Mt)
(disclaimer - not a physicist)
The computation seems to be generating a uniformly random set and picking a sample of it. I can buy that itād be insanely expensive to do this on a classical computer, since thereās no reasonable way to generate a truly random set. Feels kinda like an unfair benchmark as this wouldnāt be something youād actually point a classical computer at, but then again, thatās how benchmarks work.
Iām not big in quantum, so I canāt say if thatās something a quantum computer can do, but I can accept the math, if not the marketing.
How do you figure? Itās absolutely possible in principle that a quantum computer can efficiently perform computations which would be extremely expensive to perform on a classical computer.
It reads to me like either they got lucky or encountered a measurement error somewhere, but the peer review notes from Nature donāt show any call outs of obvious BS, though I donāt have any real academic science experience, much less in the specific field of quantum computing.
Then again, this may not be too far beyond the predicted boundaries of what quantum computers are capable of and while the assumption that computation is happening in alternate dimensions seems like it would require quantum physicists to agree on a lot more about interpretation than they currently do the actual performance is probably triggering some false positives in my BS detector.
The peer reviewers didnāt say anything about it because they never saw it: Itās an unilluminating comparison thrown into the press release but not included in the actual paper.
Maybe Iām being overzealous (I can do that sometimes).
But I donāt understand why this particular experiment suggests the multiverse. The logic appears to be something like:
- This algorithm would take a gazillion years on a classical computer
- So maybe other worlds are helping with the compute cost!
But I donāt understand this argument at all. The universe is quantum, not classical. So why do other worlds need to help with the compute? Why does this experiment suggest it in particular? Why does it make sense for computational costs to be amortized across different worlds if those worlds will then have to go on to do other different quantum calculations than ours? It feels like thereās no āsavingsā anyway. Would a smaller quantum problem feasible to solve classically not imply a multiverse? If so, what exactly is the threshold?
I mean, unrestricted skepticism is the appropriate response to any press release, especially coming out of silicon valley megacorps these days. But I agree that this doesnāt seem like the kind of performance theyāre talking about wouldnāt somehow require extra-dimensional communication and computation, whatever that would even mean.
I mean, unrestricted skepticism is the appropriate response to any press release, especially coming out of silicon valley megacorps these days.
Indeed, Iāve been involved in crafting a silicon valley megacorp press release before. Iāve seen how the sausage is made! (Mine was more or less factual or I wouldnāt have put my name on it, but dear heavens a lot of wordsmithing goes into any official communication at megacorps)
your regular reminder that the guy with de facto ownership over the entire Rust ecosystem outside of the standard library and core is very proud about being in Peter Thielās pocket (and that post is in reference to this article)
e: on second thought Iām being unfair ā he owns the conferences and the compiler spec process too
I didnāt think today was gonna be a day where Iād read about sounding then breaking glass rods but here we are.
itās an unhinged story he keeps telling on the orange site too, and I donāt think heās ever answered some of the obvious questions:
- why is this a story your family tells their kids in apparent graphic detail?
- youāre still fighting the soviets? you donāt have any more up to date bad guys to point at when people ask you why youāre making murder drones and knife missiles?
- are you completely sure this happened instead of something normal, like your communist great grandfather making up a story and sticking with it cause he was terrified of the House Unamerican Activities Committee? maybe this one is just me
maybe this is a cautionary tale about telling your kids cautionary tales
maybe itās a mutation of a story on how breakup of yugoslavia started (nsfw)
reddit just launched an LLM integrated into the site. hardly any point going through what garbage these things are at this point but of course it failed the first test I gave it
So it turns out the healthcare assassin has someā¦ boutiqueā¦ views. (Yeah, I know, shocker.) Things he seems to be into:
- Lab-grown meat
- Modern architecture is rotten
- Population decline is an existential threat
- Elon Musk and Peter Thiel
How soon until someone finds his LessWrong profile?
the absolute state of american politics: rentseeker ceo gets popped by a libertarian
We should expect more of this to come. The ascendant right wing is pushing policies that only deliver for people who are already stinking rich. Even if 99% of those who vote that way go along with the propaganda line in the face of their own disappointment, thatās still a lot of unhappy people, who are not known for intellectual consistency or calm self-reflection, in a country overflowing with guns. All it takes is one ammosexual who decides that his local Congressman has been co-opted by the (((globalists))), you know?
thereās gotta be many more than 1% of right to far-right wingers clocking that that ambient suckiness is result of republican policies or profit squeezing, itās just that i expected them to be way more apathetic
qanon and weird nazis were around for some time and they definitely can get worse, but i donāt think itās it
also, killing CEOs is more of traditional activity of more ideologically consistent far left groups, like RAF. canāt have shit in late capitalism
RAFās aims were explicitely accelerationist - their terror would provoke a ferocious repressional response that would open the eyes of the masses to the repressive government and trigger a revolution.
Someone else said it, but for someone completely accustomed to a life of easy privilege, having it suddenly disappear can be utterly intolerable.
StRev was calling him TPOT adjacent and woodgrains was having a bit of a panic over it.
āOur righteous warriors are only supposed to kill brown people and women, not captains of industry!!ā
dust specks vs CEOs
Thats a very real viewpoint being pushed by the Thiel adjacent far righters.
tfw the Holy Book (Atlas Shrugged) was misinterpreted.
According to his goodreads he had not read it yet.
āMy heavens, our self-regarding supremacist ideology canāt possibly imply violenceā¦ can it???ā
Itās so embarrassing to watch upper-middle class (at best!) rationalists get their panties in a twist over Luigi. At least the right wing talking heads are getting paid, these guys are just mad he did things instead of tweeting about things.
Do you have a link? Iām interested. (Also, I see you posted something similar a couple hours before I did. Sorry I missed that!)
https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1866197443404247185
https://x.com/st_rev/status/1866191524498719147
Sorry for not using nitter but im on phone.
From the replies:
I see the interest in AI, Peter Thiel, and the far future, but itās a lot more rationality adjacent than EA.
āItās a lot more country than westernā
meanwhile his twitter:
The starving people are tied to the track, the trolley barreling down at them, they are screaming at the rich to release them or pull the lever, which they canāt, not without the rich guys help. But the rich are not helping. Why are the rich not helping Elon?
TWG: is a good reminder that atrocities donāt come from convenient avatars of all I oppose
Random bluecheck: On the contrary, this just reaffirms my biases that e/accs and AGI race-promoters are the source of every bad thing in the world.
TWG: was he e/acc?
We are in the āhe only followed some e/acc, he never said he was e/accā phase. Wonder what his manifesto will say.
this whole exchange is so beautiful i love these stupid fucking idiots WHY ARE THEY EVERYWHERE
That conversation reads like from a variation of Mafia/Werewolf where you have to figure out who in your circle of rationalists is secretly e/acc and wants to build the torment nexus.
The man who hypes up that higher intelligences can figure out laws and rules from data quicker and more thoroughly than lower intelligences defending e/acc accounts by going āwell they never openly advocated for killing, so this is not a valid concernā. Did he forget he advocated for bombing datacenters? Guess he never read any science fiction where āārationalā leader accidentally inspires murderous cultā, By The God Emperor, somebody should write a science fiction novel about that. (E: hell, does he even get what accellerationism implies? Somebody reading between the lines and going šµ 'So let the games begin, A heinous crime, a show of force, A murder would be nice of courseāšµ is not out of the question).
āTensor Templarā lmao. Hey buddy, what did the Knights Templar do, besides banking?
bwahahaha āmost reasonable operationalizations; conditional upon being e/acc.ā Why does this person make me think of nasal, vaguely whiny prequel Spock?
Hopefully it elaborates on whatever the fuck this is:
Modern Japanese urban environment is an evolutionary mismatch for the human animal.
The solution to falling birthdates isnāt immigration. Itās cultural.
Encourage natural human interaction, sex, physical fitness and spirituality:
- ban Tenga fleshlights and āJapan Real Holeā custom pornstar pocket pussies being sold in Don Quixote grocery stores
- replace conveyor belt sushi and restaurant vending machine ordering, with actual human interaction with a waiter
- replace 24/7 eSports cafes where young males earn false fitness signals via Tekken fighting and Overwatch shooting games, with athletics in school
- heavily stigmatize maid cafes where lonely salarymen pay young girls to dress as anime characters and perform anime dances for them
- revitalize traditional Japanese culture (Shintoism, Okinawan karate, onsen, etc)
If we couldnāt react with āwake up babe, new copypasta just droppedā or ātag yourself, Iām the false fitness signal in the maid cafĆ©ā, we couldnāt react to a lot of life.
being performatively worried about Japanese birth rates is a HN trope, for whatever thatās worth
i thought for some time now that problems with japanese society are things like stifling conformism, ridiculous degree of nationalism and sexism, how they are functionally an one-party state or stiff strictly hierarchial relationships that appear out of nowhere the entire time. but yeah definitely this seed oils level of conspiracy thinking is accepted truth on eacc twitter
it also sounds extremely specific
I dont know enough about Japan, but is it just me or is that a very specific fleshlight gripe? E: yes, I guess, this means Iām tagging myself as the fleshlight or something.
This reminded me that TWG has a Twitter account. I could have done without that reminder.
A few years ago, I would have pointed to Elon Musk as someone approximately where I was in the political spectrum. The left pushed him away, the right welcomed him, and he spent hundreds of millions of dollars and put in immense effort to elect Trump.
No, you embossed carbuncle. Apartheid boy was evil all along; you were just too media-illiterate to see through the propaganda.
The left made him call that guy a pedo in 2018, and tell his first wife he was the alpha in the relationship in 2000. Thanks Obama.
E: forgot about the āim actually a socialist, but with a more capitalist characterā tweet
The left did not push Elon Musk away. The left has fundamentally different interests and values to the billionaire and alleged rapist.
this guy nailing the UHC CEO is the only good thing they will ever have a chance of claiming credit for, so of course they rush to disavow him
lol thatās exquisite
but you could tell the guy was into Effective Altruism from how he did dust specks vs CEOs
@TinyTimmyTokyo @BlueMonday1984 lab-gown mest is fine tho. Iād be all over it if it ever works.
But yeah heād fit right in on LW Iām sureEdited based on later chat: eh
https://med-mastodon.com/@noodlemaz/113641637798676074Same. Iām not being critical of lab-grown meat. I think itās a great idea.
But the pattern of things heās got an opinion on suggests a familiarity with rationalist/EA/accelerationist/TPOT ideas.
one of the best articles Iāve ever read was an inch by inch teardown of the entire concept of mass produced lab grown meat: https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ . itās never, ever going to work at scale and Iād go so far as to say itās the food equivalent of all the usual tech grifts we talk about here
if luigi incident kicks off next miracle tech sv bubble after ai this would be the single dumbest outcome out of this entire situation
so far tpot got exposure and fake manifesto included altmed dogwhistle right in the title
@sc_griffith thanks, that is a cool piece! Indeed having done plenty cell culture myself and seeing those shockingly astronomical meat consumption figures, the solutions seem much clearer to me. I doubt LGM will be a useful reality in my lifetime, maybe far in the future. So, people need to stop eating meat, and eat plants instead.
Many are already doing so! Iāve mostly stopped with meat myself, just some fish to go.
But we need political will. Change of culture. Sanctions on the US, etc :/
@sc_griffith stood out:
āa mature, scaled-up industry could eventually achieve a ratio of only 3-4 calories in for every calorie out, compared to the chickenās 10 and the steerās 25. That would still make cultured meat much more inefficient compared to just eating plants themselvesā¦ And the cells themselves might still be fed on a diet of commodity grains, the cheapest and most environmentally destructive inputs available. But it would represent a major improvement.ā@sc_griffith last one (probably) - as Iām now working quite a lot adjacent to philanthropists (and find the whole concept and reality of that deeply morally unpleasant on many levels), v interesting interweaving of that aspect.
And again, comes back to the EA nonsense.
Sigh
Lots of developments in the UHC shooter case
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They (probably) caught him
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Heās even hotter without his three identical jackets
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Heās a Thielhead
Not very happy with how this dayās going
He was radicalized by Tim Urban, an into AGI
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the grok AI is now available to free twitter users, evidently not enough paying users were interested
itās somewhat more tedious than Gemini and thatās saying something
Really wise decision to open up the system that costs a lot of money per question to the world. Esp when it brings in none. Wonder if there are people working on the low orbital cannon equivalent of trying to mess with twitters finances
That assassin in New York has turned out to be a EA hang around.
The whole internet loves CEO Murderer, a handsome murderer that targets CEOs! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the murderer is into AI
Jfc, when I saw the headline I thought this would be a case of the city being too cheap to hire an actual artist and instead use autoplag, but no. And the guy they commissioned isnāt even some tech-brain LARPāing as an artist, he has 20+ years of experience and a pretty huge portfolio, which somehow makes this worse on so many levels.
I ended up on Know Your Meme because folks are throwing around TPOT like weāre all terminally online and all understand Twitter lingo.
For anyone else confused: that part of Twitter. Itās techbro āphillosophistsā like Peter Thiel.
yeah, TPOT is specifically the uwu smol bean neoreactionary race scientists
I ended up on Know Your Meme because folks are throwing around āuwuā like weāre all terminally online and all understand Twitter lingo.
looking up uwu on know your meme āuwu,ā what is this
OwO whatās this?
just found out there is genius.com annotation for this
https://genius.com/Reddit-copypastas-uwu-whats-this-annotated
JFC. Thank you so much for this.
Wait does āuwuā have a specific referent? I assumed it was just a vibe like dark academia or *-core or Tumblr.
So my understanding is that uwu/UwU originates as a kaomoji, think (^.^) and (O.O) etc. Using the āwā character to render the mouth starts as a furry thing or a general projection of human expression onto common animals like cats or dogs. (Youāll see the omega symbol used in examples as well.)
Over the last 20-30 years or so of online interaction etc. kaomoji start to gain a sort of cringe notoriety alongside RP chatting, culminating in a few catalysing memes/copypastas.
Eventually āowoā and āuwuā start being read aloud/vocalised, similar to how people starting saying ālolā out loud, and this is associated I guess with a cutesy sort of image, though that image is often corrupted or subverted- for example e-girls, who co-opt a lot from of gaming and anime subcultures, lean into the uwu of it all.
But actually, real internet truthers know that the above is a revisionist version of history put forth as a psyop by russian troll farms, in addition to inventing AI chatbots and adding fluoride to water. This is all to weaken and feminise western men and turn them communist.
The evidence? owo actually comes from the Russian word āŃ Š¾ŃŠ¾ŃŠ¾ā, meaning āgoodā or āokā, and its usage is normalising russian language in todayās tiktok-pilled youth. This was a strategy cooked up by known cult leader Rajneesh, of course known in Russia as ŠŃŠ¾. Of course, uwu comes from the Russian word āŠ£ŃŃā which is a secret programming command for the proletariat to learn Wushu and other forms of chinese/communist martial arts so that people can rise up and seize the means of production.
(jk)
sounds horrorshow to me
Lol, but in Dutch.
Good that you explain it, lot of people here are basically amateur TPOT/lesswrong watchers so we forget this isnāt standard lingo. If you have ever seen us post about eigenrobot that is part of tpot iirc.
what the heck is an eigenrobot??
Update: It is too late, Sneerclub, I have seen everything.
i am so sorry
consadulations on being in todayās unlucky 10k
What if cryptofasc weird but trying to be cute. (Revolutionary ikr).
If Marc Andressen gets in some sort of public trouble, could we call it the TPOT-Dome Scandal?
itās mean to make fun of marc andreessenās superior brain pan sizing
thought he was more of a brain deep dish kinda guy, given how comprehensively cooked he is
Fuck lmfao š¤£
On the third day of OpenAI my true
loveenemy gave to methree french hensSora.The version of Sora we are deploying has many limitations. It often generates unrealistic physics and struggles with complex actions over long durations.
ā12 days of OpenAIā lol. Such marketing.
Big eye roll to this part too:
Weāre introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure itās used responsibly as the field advances.
Itās half-assed on purpose, and thatās a good thing! We swear!
Credit where itās due to the writer who somehow polished that filthy turd. You can almost believe itās the normal sort of deceptive marketing.
Saw something about āsentiment analysisā in text. While writers have discussed ādeath of the authorā and philosophers and linguists have discussed what it even means to derive meaning from text, these fucking AI dorks are looking at text in a vacuum and concluding āthis text expresses angerā.
print("I'm angry!")the above python script is angry, look at my baby skynet
Openai are you angry? Yes -> it is angry. No -> it is being sneaky, and angry.
Us ADHD people really have to get our rejection sensitivity under control, I tell ya what.
I am deeply hurt by this post. I thought we were friends here. (/s)
Oh no, are you mad at me? (j/k!!)
Please dont mock me like that.
sentiment analysis is such a good example of a pre-LLM AI grift. every time Iāve seen it used for anything, itās been unreliable to the point of being detrimental to the projectās goals. marketers treat it like a magic salve and smear it all over everything of course, and thatās a large part of why targeted advertising is notoriously ineffective
Itās built upon such a nonsensical ontology. The sentiment expressed in a piece of language is at least partially a social function, which is why I can add the following
I AM BEYOND FUCKING LIVID AT EVERYONE IN THIS FUCKING INSTANCE
to this response and no one will actually assume Iām really angry (I am though, send memes).
Edit: not one meme. Not. One.
Edit2: thank you for the memes, @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de. This one is my favorite. It feels Dark Souls-y.
Image description
Live crawfish with arms spread in front of bowl of cooked crawfish with caption āStand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor mattersā.
itās a quote from mass effect. also, shrimp welfare
I read this as shrimp warfare and while Iām not sure about WW3, the fifth or sixth world war will be fought between the shrimp and the crows over rulership of the earth.
The basement in Caanan House if God were Cajun.
Adam Christopher comments on a story in Publishers Weekly.
Says the CEO of HarperCollins on AI:
āOne idea is a ātalking book,ā where a book sits atop a large language model, allowing readers to converse with an AI facsimile of its author.ā
Please, just make it stop, somebody.
Robert Evans adds,
thereās a pretty good short story idea in some publisher offering an AI facsimile of Harlan Ellison that then tortures its readers to death
Kevin Kruse observes,
I guess this means that HarperCollins is getting out of the business of publishing actual books by actual people, because no one worth a damn is ever going to sign a contract to publish with an outfit with this much fucking contempt for its authors.
Casting Harlan Ellison as the Acausal Robot God is just the best.
Someone made aā¦ thing where you run all your mastodon toots through a prompt before posting them and thought it would be a great idea to let us lemmy users know. Comes with ugly autoplag image on the github. The names of the ābotsā are hilarious: āennuiā for low-effort posts; I donāt think that word means what they think it means. āLegionā for automatic spam posts. Cause thatās not a dogwhistle or anything.
āLegionā for automatic spam posts. Cause thatās not a dogwhistle or anything.
Their name is Legion, for there are too fucking many.
Im going to assume they meant it as a reference to the Castlevania boss.
So the code doesnāt make use of any LLM, itās just incredibly basic shit like string.toUpper(). Itās curious how much the author wants to make it seem like it does. Even one guy on lemmy asks
Is it so that you donāt have to read replies?
It will be added
Aargh, whatās the point??
Yeah, Iām struggling to understand the fucking purpose here o.O. It feels like someone desperately trying to make anything for their portfolio or smt
