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Cake day: June 10th, 2023

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  • I agree with you, but you might find the history of Zionism interesting. Before Israel, there was a sizable portion of Zionists that didn’t want Israel to exist in the middle east. There were also Zionists that didn’t want a ‘state’. They thought it was more important to have a safe place for a sizable Jewish population. There’s probably a lot of flavors of Zionism that you’d agree with. It’s the dominant Israeli Zionism that’s horrible.

    It’s a lot easier to say ‘Zionist’ though. Just thought I’d share in case you weren’t aware.







  • I’ve been paying attention to this thing for close to 23 years.
    When I came in, it was after a long period of time where the Palestinian government was sending suicide bombers. It must’ve been horrible to live through, but you can’t change minds by making their lives harder, and you’ve got to take responsibility for your own actions.
    Shaun really won me over when early in the video he states that Israel being more powerful has more responsibility in the peace process. It’s not a revolutionary idea, but it was nice to hear.




  • Oct 7 was an attack. It was violent. We still don’t know the casualties caused by hamas. Israeli government has admitted that some of their response killed Israeli citizens. They refuse to cooperate with the UN investigation into the Oct 7 attacks. There’s also been some credible reporting refuting the scale of rape on Oct 7. I’m not trying to minimize an individuals trauma, but the Israeli government’s rationale for bombing Gaza has been the scale of rape.
    In short, we know there was a horrific attack on Oct 7.

    Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

    The Oct 7 attack was about taking hostages. It was not about destroying Israel and its citizens.

    Now the bombing of Gaza… If you can’t see that it’s genocidal, try living in Gaza as a Palestinian in 2024. Seriously. Just move there. I’m so fucking tired at seeing these ghoulish fucking hot takes. ‘Actual genocidal acts accompanied by actual genocidal language with actual genocidal social media posts but perpetrated by the team I’m cheering for isn’t genocide because the other side is racist’
    Of all my Jewish family and friends, it’s only the people that had parents or were directly impacted by the Holocaust that still support Israel. All of the others acknowledge that that trauma explains their support for that flavor of Zionism. I can’t fathom why someone that is far removed from those events can support this particular genocide. Especially considering some Holocaust victims have spoken out about how fascist the Israeli government is. Does that not make you question anything? Or do you just take everything that’s been spoonfed to you with a smile and a thankyou?
    Omfg your references are about things that happened 100s of years ago! The islamization of Jerusalem happened over a period of over 700 years, and stopped over 100 years ago! People are being bombed right now! You’re justifying a genocide over something that stopped over 100 years ago!
    What the actual fuck.