So why was Harris’ answer to adopt a strong anti-immigration stance?

Everything the right was harping on about was a lie, but the Dems response was to amplify those lies and say “We hear you and will crack down on illegal immigration,” fully knowing there was nothing to crack down on.

Not that you’re wrong with your conclusion, but you picked a bad issue to go on. Democrats won’t solve immigration because there’s nothing to solve. Immigrants are not committing crimes at a higher rate than the rest of the population, and while America gets a lot of migrants, we also have a collapsing birthrate and need a growing populace for infinite shareholder growth.

The problem is that Republicans keep making up lies about immigration, even nonsensical lies like “they’re eating the dogs,” and the Democrats do nothing to dispel these lies. They don’t sit down with the charts that verifiably disprove the Republican bullshit. Instead, they pick it up, and promise they’ll be tougher on immigration next time, giving legitimacy to the lies.

I’d never take that bet, they already started today You can find them in threads across the fediverse.

It was such an easy lay-up to fumble. Hell, she raised millions in personal donations compared to a Trump campaign that ended up stiffing locations on payment because they’re so broke, it was the rare election where the Dems didn’t need their corporate donors. They could have accepted some long-term financial losses in the face of potential greater long-term gains if they could maintain similar levels of personal donations from energized progressives. I remember the energy in the air when Harris/Walz was revealed, it seemed like a progressive ticket could seriously exist.

And then it all vanished. Thanks for taking my $20, assholes. Wouldn’t have bothered if I knew they’d just dance to their owners demands anyway.

between this and the enshittification of big tech and gaming, it feels like 2024 has been one big argument in support of gatekeeping.

Because the Democrats picked it up and used it as an issue as well. Instead of dispelling the myths of “Bigrant Crime,” as if that would be a challenge, they took an anti-immigration stance as well. Honestly, Trump had a rare master class attack on the Dems with the whole “they’ve been in power for four years, why haven’t they already done everything,” because it called out just how shallow the Dems bending to conservative anti-immigrant policy was. It was almost certainly an accident on his part, especially since his party was the reason Dems couldn’t be as hard on immigration as they wanted, but it turned into effective messaging.

There are none, as far as I am aware. I’m closest to Canada, and it’s where I plan to flee. I’m pretty certain Justin Trudeau is going to repeat Biden’s blunder beat for beat, except he won’t pull out and will just lose, but I don’t think the fate of Canada hinges on the next election. There is still time to fight back at least. I don’t think there is any time left for the U.S.

And again, that’s the shitty part, it requires a lot of fucking work. I have worked for independent leftist campaigns. It was incredibly long hours for weeks on end. Canvassing is gruelling work, cold calls are fucking miserable. Do you know how much money I typically made? None, not a single dime. The independents don’t have the support of big donors. In fact, I typically end up losing a few thousand dollars if I work for a campaign.

You have to make the reality you want with your own hands. You have to grab your friends and say “Hey, let’s all go to the town hall meeting tonight,” and double the attendance for the night. You have to make a hundred calls a day, getting laughed at all the time, just hoping to get your message out. Hell, depending on where you live and what options you have, you might have to run for office yourself. It’s hard, and it’s shitty and awful, but it’s the only option left when your leaders consistently fail you.

I will say though, it was a clear mistake to call 2020 a win for Biden. 2020 was a loss for Trump. Biden’s approval ratings were ass, he barely beat out Trump, and his approval just dropped further the second he entered office. If the DNC saw that and made the conclusion they could demand progressive votes for nothing a second time, then they’re incompetent.

I saw someone else on here put it perfectly, Democrats feel entitled to votes. They think that because they are logically the lesser evil, not voting for them is wrong. They don’t even consider that American elections are not about logic, and are nearly entirely about emotions. They don’t feel the need to make their constituents feel heard because they think their constituents are idiots if they don’t vote for them. They don’t even stop to realize that they are still an evil.

Seeing some of that entitlement in these threads has been, frankly, infuriating. Blue MAGA is the right term, they act identically to Trump supporters. It’s everyone’s fault but Harris’.

You simply can’t do anything for the Republicans. There is no hope for them. You have to assume that moving forward, at least half of voting Americans will go for a fascist. Ignore them completely. Sure, they clearly have the largest part of the blame, but none of them care and will laugh at you for trying to change their minds. The only option is to aim for independents, undecideds, and uncommitteds. Progressive policies remain overwhelming popular in the United States, you do not need conservatives to help you win elections.

As for what these leftists politicians should do once elected, the answer immediately is to caucus with the Dems and try to work with them on progressive issues like wage stagnation. It will fail, but it will identify which members of the Dems are willing to work with a new movement and which will not. Once a base of candidates is built in Dem strongholds, we can start working to replace the Dems who refuse to work with the new movement, even if they’re in battleground states.

again, I’m not inventing anything here. This is how the Tea Party killed the GOP from inside. There’s nothing stopping us from doing the same, but it takes a lot of participation in local races. The Tea Party started with state governments and House Representatives, and it took them nearly a decade to realize their dreams in the form of Donald Trump. It will likely take time we no longer have, but look at the last three elections and ask yourself this; do we have any other option?

It’s fair to be tired, it’s exhausting having to do the same shit every four years.

but the reason we have to do it every four years is because everyone lets their civic duty end with voting. Whether or not you’re tired doesn’t mean the responsibilities end. Believe me, I know trying to get people to politically organize is an exercise in misery, but the Democratic Party is never going to change. People have to start supporting third parties in their local elections, and start forcing out Democrat politicians who have historically had safe seats.

The one and only good news I can provide is that we have the playbook the Tea Party left. Cannibalizing a party is possible, I watched it happen and have tried to oust my local Dems with independent leftist candidates ever since. Maybe if more people had realized the Dems were going to let them down forever sooner, we could have avoided all of this. Maybe we’ll never have elections again, and it’s all a moot point now anyway. but trying the same shit election after election is just not going to create change.

Obama was about as moderate as Harris and Biden. I’d even say his campaign was more progressive than theirs. He’s been the only Democratic candidate to run on a platform of change in the last two decades. All the others have run on a platform of the status quo, even Biden.

People think that Trump is going to change things, which is very hard to argue against. Yes, it won’t be change for the better, but Harris was offering them 4 more years of the status quo that is currently hurting them.

The fact that you are so dismissive of men’s issues is literally the problem.

Hey I was raised exclusively by the YouTube algorithm, and I came away from it with a deep appreciation for animation, an incredibly stupid sense of humor, and a sexuality on the spectrum of “Yes, please.” It can’t be the only reason!

Why would you blame and attack the people who tried their best to prevent Trump?

because when the Republican Party wasn’t serving the “needs” of it’s racist, xenophobic, misogynistic voter base, it was murdered and skinned by the Tea Party, who has gleefully worn the skin ever since.

Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they’ve just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.

It won’t. If there’s anything I’ve learned, it’s that a large majority of the Democratic Party voter base is just as dumb and addicted to propoganda as the GOP’s. The people who are so happy to call anyone with a genuine critique a Russian shill, who believed that Biden had to lead the ticket “no matter what,” who cheered when Harris went further right to snap up conservative voters; these people also treat politics like a sport and think their side can do no wrong. They feel smug and superior because “they’re not dumb enough to vote for Trump,” as if that makes them immune to propoganda.

My plan is to leave. Maybe other countries have a chance still, but the U.S. does not.

Don’t look up the statistics for LGBTQ hate crimes under the Trump presidency then.

The ones who survived last time are not fancying their chances, especially when their friend’s corpses are staring back at them.

If anyone wants a femboy, I’m available and desperately seeking accommodations in Canada. I don’t have many skills, but I’m told my mouth is incredible.