That moment when Microsoft tells people to throw away perfectly good working computers because they’re running Windows 10. When Windows 10 was just coming out or had just come out, Microsoft promised that Windows 10 would be the last OS of theirs, and there would only be updates. Also Microsoft is constantly sending messages to people running Windows 10 urging them to update.
Trade it in or recycle it with local organizations
And what are those organizations expected to install on systems that can’t support Windows 11, Microsoft? What are they expected to install exactly?
Guess my parents will continue and will use unsupported OS in the future. Maybe i install Linux to my mother, as a beta tester for the family when i go visit them in the summer.
This is the biggest garbage a tech company did to almost 256 million PCs in use and fully working. I installed Linux Mint on all three PCs I own. Free and works far better than I thought.
My parents are now using Zorin os because it feels like Windows, and they don’t even know it’s not windows. For the vast majority of people who only use a browser it’s a no brainer to switch.
My 73 year old dad has been on Linux for… eight years I believe? He loves it.
I got PopOS a month ago and its freaking awesome. Cant believe how long I used Windows, Linux is amazing. It is extremely overblown by people saying it is hard to use
Welcome! Switched 2 years ago, never looked back
Ltsc iot win10 is supported for years to come 🏴☠️
For people who still need Windows:
I have a 10-year-old Surface Pro 4 and I was able to freely upgrade to Windows 11 and it works fine. It wasn’t technically supported but I enabled preview builds or something like that (I think I had to enable the Insider program) and it showed up as a Windows Update. I don’t know if this is applicable to all PCs that don’t support Win 11, but surely it’s applicable to some of them that Windows says don’t support Win 11.
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Yes, it’s known that it is possible to do that, but Windows 11 has TPU 2.0 requirements for a reason. As they say, it’s for security. In my opinion, if you have to jump through so many hoops and loops to use a damn OS, just to use it as a home desktop or to use old tech, just move to Linux. You have Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora KDE, Steam OS (not yet fully out), and many more. For a beginner who came from Windoes, I recommend Linux Mint. If you already have a Steam deck, for example, I recommend Bazzite (it’s non-imutable) or Fedora KDE Plasma.
Edit: Sorry if I came out harsh, I didn’t mean to sound like that, I just feel frustrated at how shit Windoes has turned in too
Zorin os!
BUY A COMPUTER ALREADY YOU CHEAP F*****!!!
This doesn’t fix the e-waste issue. Its not always about the price of a new machine.
I think owl meant to talk in Microsoft’s voice.
Or you can just keep using with with windows 11.
Most don’t support windows 10 without a tpm
You can bypass it
I said from the beginning that the tpm 2.0 requirement was a way to make people buy new pc’s. Good news for me who wants a laptop upgrade.
Or get a new laptop and switch to Linux!
That’s what I’m doing. Framework for the win
I’m already using linux, but my laptop is an older dell with a 5th? Gen i5 dual core. Still works fine, but i had to jankily push down on the keyboard ribbon cable with a piece of cardboard, still has sata ssd, screen could be nicer, bezels are an inch wide, etc. This an oportunity to get an uograde if companies are going to dump perfectly good hardware.
Valid. I just but PopOS on my Lenovo and it works perfectly. Hell I put it on an old surface book too and it works great lol
I’m waiting for decent support for the snapdragon x elite chips. From what i can tell from discourse online it’s still a very rough experience with linux.
I don’t want to drop £1500 on a laptop i can’t really use.
You should have thrown Windows away at the beginning of the century.
What a coincidence - I stopped supporting it too!
Recycling it is actually a very good suggestion
There are charities around me that take old laptops, put chromeOS on them and give to low income folks.
Or reusing, perfectly functional hardware doesn’t need to be gotten rid of
You know this stuff isn’t actually recycled, right? It just ends up in a giant toxic burn pit in west Africa and then they have kids with small hands pick through the smoldering wreckage looking for blobs of metals.
Um, no. Love, somewhere with actual regulations.
Regulations cost money. African labor is cheap. Don’t worry, the market will sort it out…
Give it to me and it won’t take a single joule of energy to recycle plus it’s still useful
I’m trying but the girlfriend refuses. She watches YouTube on the TV and does everything else on her phone; literally only uses the laptop to play The Sims 4 (which her 1080ti can handle just fine), yet she’s convinced that she will need a brand new gaming machine with a 4090/5090 as soon as Microsoft dumps WIn10. She’s afraid that she’ll completely break the OS if she switches to Linux. (Which is plausible, though unlikely.
I’m hoping she’ll change her mind as soon as she realizes just how much more GPUs cost these days, especially mobile ones.
Install win 10 LTSC
Create a live USB stick and demonstrate it to her, without deleting Windows. Bonus points if you rice the fuck out of it with some kawaii shit for your GF and make Sims 4 work with Wine.
Wine need not apply. That’s old school. Sims 4 works great in proton. Basically just install steam and the rest is handled.
Better yet, install bazzite as your distro, gaming works out of the box.
Proton is based on Wine, when people say Wine in a gaming context, there’s a decent chance they just mean Proton. Also there’s absolutely no need for gaming distros in this situation, gaming works out of the box on any (semi-normal) distro, the most you’ll have to do is flick a switch in Steam.
Edit: Or in this case with the Sims install Lutris I guess, since it’s an EA game, but that also isn’t much more difficult
That’s fair, I’m a bit uninformed on wine and proton’s roots. However I’d argue that for someone like OPs girlfriend, a somewhat-immutable atomic based distro like bazzite might be better. Especially if it’s only used for gaming and YouTube 🤷♂️
But different strokes for different folks, so perhaps they’d be better off just installing steam on their distro of choice 👍
Use an immutable distro so even if she breaks it it’s easily fixed
I have Linux on a jumpdrive can I install it on my main drive without it effecting my other drives?
It’s called dual-booting, and yes there are so many tutorials availiable. But you have to be a little more careful in that process. I do dualboot but almost never uses windows. I have heard situation where windows updates messing linux installs on same drive. The safest route might be to do what others suggested but it is possibe to install that way. Be careful with partitioning and formatting. You also have to determine the sizes for each partitions yourself too
Only the drive you install it on will be affected, but the other drives likely won’t be formatted to work with Linux.
Then how do I upgrade to Linux on my gaming computer.
Actually, Linux does support NTFS, although you won’t be able to run executables from it. I suggest getting an external HD/SSD to make a backup of all of your drives, then proceed with the switch to Linux.
I always had a fat32 partion available for sharing stuff when i did dualbooting. Just for saving some stuff, but limited to 4 gb files then. Ntfs works as well so either partion or separate drive
Are you just wanting to back up save files? I agree with the other person here, just backup the files that matter to you onto an external drive and then install Linux
I think so?
Weird hill to die on perhaps; but I’ll never forgive Microsoft for arbitrarily deciding to not support my Core i7 6700K 4Ghz CPU on Windows 11.
Simply because: I cannot find a single actual technical reason why it wouldn’t be compatible (yes, my mobo also has TPM). It’s even higher specced than many other ‘supported’ chips.
MS apparently just decided I hadn’t spent enough money lately. Well now I won’t - on your products - ever again, while this i7 will continue to run Win 10 for games and Linux for all else.
In the same boat with the same CPU. The beast is running Cyberpunk 2077 fairly well at 1440p with a DLSS/ray tracing card but it can’t run Windows 11 🙄🙄🙄
assuming you use steam, see which of your favorite games run with proton compatability layer and which absolutely require windows. You may be suprised.
I run everything on steam with proton that I did on my windows PC, nothing was left behind. If you ‘add a game’ from outside steam, you can run the installer and then change the game location to the executable. Ubuntu or Ubuntu mate are what I install on everything. Recommend.
WINE works surprisingly well too. I’ve seen people talk about gaming on Linux using Lutris or launching it through Steam as a “Non-Stean game” but I just put my files in my WINE directory and have better success.
Gaming is great on Linux nowadays btw. I installed Fedora a few weeks ago and haven’t had a single problem with any of my games - I’m getting better framerates, too.
My GPU runs out of memory if I try to play DRG on linux (fedora), Zerotier and XLink Kai run but won’t connect or plainly don’t work inside the games I’ve tried with, and the mumble server just won’t work (even using the docker) because it seems my motherboard’s network isn’t compatible or something, so if I want to use Linux I’d have to upgrade my pc anyway.
Gaming on Linux has taken huge steps, but I’d hardly call the current state as great, it’s ok and improving, but still requires tinkering and knowledge beyond just turning it on, installing and using… And something might not work because fuck you.
You’re also describing what happens on Windows. Gaming on PC requires some tinkering and knowledge. If you want to turn a machine on, install a game and play it you’ll buy a gaming console.
Regarding Mumble, Zerotier and XLink Kai, sorry to read that. Hopefully there’ll be something in their docs that help you or other alternatives you can switch to. Deep Rock Galactic can be a bit of a resource hog, but there’s probably a solution for that too. Have you used the latest community recommendations on it’s ProtonDB page? https://www.protondb.com/app/548430?device=pc
Three consecutive replies because of an app I’m testing. Sorry about that.
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Any reason you went with fedora? I’ve been partial to fedora for a decade, but last I knew it wasn’t recommended for a daily driver given the upstream fuckery from redhat.
Asking cuz I’m about two weeks from kicking win10 in the dick and moving to alma or something.
I’m actually using Nobara, but it’s not very popular so I just say Fedora in day-to-day conversation. From my understanding, Fedora-based distros play better with Nvidia GPUs.
Best of luck to you my friend. Like I said, fedora was my go-to for years, and I regularly fought against the Nvidia drivers and kept going back to windows.
I’m running AMD now, so I’m hoping my experience is better than it was when I was using nvidia
I’m responding to you, but this is more for others to see since you moved to AMD.
I used Nvidia cards for many years on Linux and only recently switched back to AMD. The main issues I ran into with Nvidia were related to driver updates breaking things rather than things not working in general. So, I eventually found that holding Nvidia drivers to versions that worked without issues was the best bet and only updating them on occasion after they had been out for a bit and the consensus was that they weren’t breaking stuff.
I’m in a similar boat. My computer meets all of the other requirements like TPM and whatnot, yet they are arbitrarily deciding that my processor is too old. And for some reason you can walk into your local computer store and buy a laptop with the shittiest processor and other specs possible that somehow runs Windows 11. Just because the processor on the new shitbox was manufactured more recently. Ridiculous.
I have that same issue. My older laptop barely misses the cutoff, even though everything meets the requirements except the cpu. I have a newer laptop with Win11, and the old one runs circles around it. It’s faster and has way more RAM, yet somehow won’t run 11? I’m going to keep it and just run Linux instead. I’ll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office and keeping papers from blowing off my desk.
I’ll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office
LibreOffice works very well. I use it often in a company that uses Office exclusively, and I’ve never had a compatibility issue.
I use power query and so far haven’t found a replacement that works in Linux. Otherwise I would drop MS office altogether.
It boils down the CPU microarchitecture
6700k is 64 bit.
They mean the x86-64-v1, x86-64-v2 stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Microarchitecture_levels
This bit me before. It seems like some PlayStation game ports use those commands. Both Helldivers 2 and Death Stranding wouldn’t work for me because of this.
I figured it was related to the hardware architecture, but I’m curious if this is for security reasons (potential exploits that the OS can’t resolve) and/or just a support bandwidth concerns managing 2 OS code bases (on top of the obvious revenue from new licenses).
If the hardware security isn’t the issue, then switching to Linux is a good money saving choice for those that are tech savvy.
Before you recycle your Windows 10 PC (or just switch to Linux and avoid wasting resources), keep in mind while Windows 10 22H2 is ending in 7 months, 21H2 LTSC Enterprise is still good for 1 year 10 months:
https://endoflife.date/windows
To download the 21H2 LTSC, go here:
https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_202301
Then generate a free license key using the Ohook or KMS38 methods via PowerShell as explained here:
Disclaimer: I haven’t tried this myself so there may be some bugs/issues along the way. For my next laptop, I’m thinking about switching to Linux and specifically Ubuntu or Fedora, so this won’t really impact me
Ubuntu user here. I get glitches from time to time, and the newest update caused a more than small issue with booting. However, compared to the litany of glitches, bloatware, and user-anti-interface of Windows, I’ll sing the praises of Ubuntu all day long. Even the few games I play, like Cyber Punk, run perfectly.
