Hamad said that Palestinians are the victims of the occupation, therefore no one should blame them for the events of October 7 or anything else, adding: “Everything we do is justified.”
MEMRI is run by (former) Israeli intelligence and has been panned for being blatantly anti-Muslim: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker
Ah, thanks for the information. The guy is real though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad
And this is the big long-term problem with Israel’s campaign of open genocide. They don’t care how many innocents are killed as long as they wipe out Hamas, but in the process, they’re inspiring more fanaticism in the region and fueling Hamas and other similar groups. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are terrorist organizations and they have a symbiotic relationship. The only real losers here are the innocent people caught in the middle.
Forgive my uninformed position here, but I’m sure they are aware that you can’t defeat terrorism by murdering the ever living piss-fuck out of everyone. There must be another motivation for just killing everyone.
Taking their land. It’s easier when there’s no one to displace.
Is taking their land effective though? Wouldn’t it just spawn cells within the newly acquired territory or other regions and continue?
So much hate can only spawn more hate.
Not in the formerly Palestinian territory, because all the Palestinians would be dead.
In other areas, such as nearby majority Muslim countries like Lebanon and Syria, yes, but then Israel could argue that they were being attacked as a nation, even more like 9/11 than the Oct 7th attack. They could use that as justification for strikes into those countries, since everyone let the US do it in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It just depends on how much they want to go for the military victory.
Taking their land is how this all started
That’s the best part then you can steal more land! israel just keeps magically gaining land! The ever expanding lebensraum for the chosen people!
Lots of nations were succesful by murdering everyone
Staying ahead of corruption trials.
Revenge.
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Well… yeah? Ain’t no one hear saying Hamas are the good guys. Just the second part of a two-headed parasite thats attached itself to the people if Israel/Palestine.
Except there are a lot of people like the first half of the parent I replied to that have a “Israel reaped what they sowed on October 6” attitude. But somehow don’t have a similar “they have reaped what they sowed” attitude towards Gaza right now.
Which isn’t quite right.
No one wants to share their toys since 1917. Both sides have alternatingly done ugly things that are, to our modern sensibilities, probably war crimes and ethnic cleansing. Previously, it was just war.
We did the same/worse things to Native Americans. Spain and Portugal did the same/worse things to the Aztecs and Incas. Britain did the same/worse things to almost everyone.
I just don’t think either side is justified but pretending like Palestine is any more or less of a victim than Israel in this whole mess doesn’t really seem to ring true if you look at the whole history.
That’s only true if you think the colonized being exterminated and the colonizers doing the exterminating are equally bad for fighting. One side holds all the power, and that’s the side you default your moral alignment to because you are either a settler, or you benefit from settler colonialism.
But is that any worse than defaulting to the side with less power? At the end of the day if you have to side with one or the other, whoever happens to have power at the time seems like pretty arbitrary criteria. If instead Israel were the lesser power being bullied by a powerful Palestine, would you side with Israel? How about if Nazi Germany were getting bullied by Western powers, would you side with them? It wouldn’t make sense because Nazis are very obviously the bad guys. Anyway it’s not just about power.
This is nihilistic child-brained nonsense.
“Israel” can’t be “bullied” by Palestine, because “Israel” doesn’t exist independent of the theft of Palestinian land. They’re not neighbors. Palestine is a land with people living on it. “Israel” is what that same land is called after the people already living there have been murdered or expelled to be replaced with settlers.
Nazi Germany was a “Western power”. It wasn’t their relative size that made them “the bad guys” in my judgement, it was their theft of land and extermination of the people already living on that land to be replaced with settlers: the same thing being done to Palestine today. It’s also the same thing the other “Western powers” did to the Americas, which the Nazis openly drew inspiration from.
I believe all of those things are bad. The reason you believe it was only bad when the Nazis did it is because the Nazis did it to fellow whites.
Jews are native to that area and it’s not a race thing. If we can’t agree on those two facts then we have no basis for discussion.
Knowing the cause of something does not excuse it. Just helps you better understand it, and how to prevent it in the future.
Saying Israel’s actions have a direct relationship with Hamas activity is not supporting Hamas. Its saying their actions are antithetical to a peaceful resolution, nothing else.
How does this make any sense to you? Britain declared Palestine to be terra nullius while there were people living there. They did it so they could create a Jewish ethno state hoping they could get rid of the Jews in their country. They did it by bringing in the British army and shooting anyone who resisted.
Israel has no legitimate claim to its existence as a state, it was created by the globe-dominating imperial colonizer at the point of a gun.
And instead of spending the last century trying to make peace, Israel has been building an apartheid state and importing settlers from all over the world to illegally steal land from Palestinians, literally just showing up and taking over their homes, beating them, and summoning the militarized police to displace, beat, maim, and kill Palestinians.
There is just no comparing the two sides.
I see you haven’t seen comments from hexbear or lemmygrad
Hamas is correct. “Israel” is a European settler colony, and like other European settler colonies, it depends on the removal of the indigenous population and theft of their land. Palestinians have exhausted every possible alternative to violence over decades, and it’s brought them to the brink of extinction. Their options are to fight for their lives and right to return to their homes, or to be exterminated as a people by the Israeli state. Palestinian Jews existed before Europe created Israel, and they’ll exist as equals after Palestine is free.
There are many islmist countries. They can choose freely. But ask the jewish minority in all these arab countries how many jewish nations they can choose. Also, there never was a country called Palestine, the region holds the name. But about 3000 jears ago on this spot where two jewisch kingdoms. So whois the settler?
Where’s the flying spaghetti monster nation?
You seem to be a fountain of wit and wisdom!
Is this how you behave instead of admitting you’re wrong?
“Actually white people originate from Africa, so we have a right to take back the ancestral homeland of the white race”.
“There are plenty of ‘black countries’ for them to choose, this should be a white country for us.”
“If those people keep reproducing, soon white people won’t be a majority, and that’s ‘white genocide’.”
Arguments like this are only plausible to terminally racist settlers. You go along with them because it licenses you to keep pursuing your material interest in murdering people that don’t look like you and stealing their land. After all, if the people living in Palestine have a right to live in their homes without being invaded and exterminated, then that raises some uncomfortable questions about the US, Canada, Australia, and other countries built on land theft and extermination by white Europeans. You obviously can’t think too hard about that and still believe that you’re the protagonist of history, so you’ll seek out any flimsy justification to keep believing that bombing hospitals makes you heroic.
Maybe you should research on the ratio of european jews to arab jews in israel. Where do these arab jews originate from i wonder.
Some of them originate in Palestine, where they lived before Europe created “Israel”. Some of them originated from other states in west Asia or east Africa, or the Americas where they have the means and opportunity to freely return. Some of them were born in occupied Palestine, where they have every right to stay and live as equals when Palestine is liberated from colonization.
Those weren’t the people that created the state of “Israel”. They didn’t drive the rest of the population out of their homes, and none of those people will stop existing when the occupying state is destroyed. Neither will any other Jewish people living across the world calling for peace, no matter how much you’d prefer to erase them and see them expelled from your country. They survived Europe’s past attempts to expel and exterminate them, and they’ll certainly survive the end of Euro-American colonialism in Palestine.
According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel’s 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[39] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (born in Israel), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews says 3.2 million in Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel says Israels population is 9.8 million of which 73% are jewish. So 3.2 million Mizrahi Jews (oriental) of 5.8 Israel Jews. I presume the rest must be Ashkenazi Jews (european). All i’m saying is the categorization in indigeious and settlers isn’t all that easy.
\edit: Sorry, You are not the person I replied to. So thank you for the facts-delivery!
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Sorry am an atheist.
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Wikipedia, palestine (region)
Stupid questions get simple answers: the Zionist colonizers.
Israel was given to the Jews as an ‘apology’ for their treatment during WW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1ujiY_4C4
All Western nations agreed. All Arab nations declined.
Guess who got their way?
I think founding Israel where it is was a huge geopolitical mistake, but I don’t know how that knowledge helps at all today when that mistake is completely solidified.
It helps so people remember why Palestinians are upset in the first place.
Yeah cool motive still doesn’t justify a charter explicitly supporting the murder of all Jews in the world
I think hostility towards trespassers is kind of recognized across the world
Doesn’t justify murder of Jews across the world of course, that’s not ethical. But it is understandable why Zionists deserve some flak for occupying land they stole with the help of Western colonists
Really? “Ethical” is your word of choice?
What word would you choose?
Would you describe the sun as being “not very cold”?
Does the existence of such a charter justify the killing of civilians?
What about the blockade?
Thank you. Let us start working with the status quo. Israel right now is starting to realise that netanyahu is not the right guy and palrstinians/gazans need to accept, that they are mere cettle to hamas/abbas.
Also the arab world needs to work on this compromise with the palestinians and stop using them as propaganda tools.
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Not sure. Here’s another source https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-october-7-attack-repeat-israel-annihilated-ghazi-hamad/ – but it basically links to the original source.
The guy is famous enough to have a Wikipedia page, that lists some of his sayings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad
Your username is the same chemical Israel has used against Palestinian civilians in blatant warcrimes
I was going for Φωσφόρος aka light-bearer aka Lucifer actually with this username. Any similarities to horrible weapons of war are accidental.
Don’t think there is any ambiguity on Hamas policy. Think it is time to take them out entirely.
While Israel is oppressing Palestinians, there will always be someone like Hamas.
And if Hamas thinks that Israel does not have a right to exists and they have the right to kill everyone there, the occupation wasn’t necessary. It’s a vicious circle. Hamas is not in position to present themselves as victims. Their agenda is unconditional and the occupation is not the reason they kill people. They simply lie.
Do you understand what it means when the British empire declares a land as terra nullius? The British showed up, shot anyone who resisted, and made a fiat declaration that the state of Israel now exists. And they only did it 100 years ago. The reason the Palestinians don’t think Israel has a right to exist is because the entire basis of its existence is violent colonization by Britain.
It was the UN that decided there should be a jewish state in Palestine. The British even abstained from the vote.
So why did all the israeli citizens suddenly appear in this area when the UN declared it a country? And why was there a kingdom since 900 BC?
If you’re interested this is a great place to start:
The occupation is the reason they got volunteers and supporters in the first place. What are they gonna do without those who volunteer to fight for them, and the support that they got to take control of the region?
The occupation gave them everything they needed, and even made them the people’s last hope. Cannot get any more generous than that.
Why don’t you fuck back off to world news on reddit, they love supporting genocide over there, you’ll fit right in.
And we all keep our own little eco chambers. You are not interessted in solving the problem but “virtue” signalling.
You: “its easy Billy. Just kill all the terrorists.”
Billy : “But wont that also kill countless civilians in the process, creating distraught and enraged people who might take up arms to be terrorists in revenge?”
You: “Of course, just keep killing and killing and killing civilians, and I’m sure eventually we will have killed enough to make that impossible.”
Billy: “So…Genocide then.”
You : “yes.”
Real reasoned and excellent stance. Maybe Israel can fight a 8 trillion dollar forever war for 20 years that kills millions like the US did, and still have Hamas. What a good idea.
You don’t realize how hypocritical this is. There’s no ambiguity on Israeli policy either. And it’s time to dismantle that state entirely and undo the last century of European meddling. Start over trying to figure out if and where there should be a Jewish ethno state. I heard Israel was thinking of displacing all Palestinians to Egypt. Maybe Israelis can go there. Or Canada, that was another option they floated for full displacement of all of Palestine, right? I’m sure Canada would readily give up territory for Jewish ethno state.
I heard Israel was thinking of displacing all Palestinians to Egypt. Maybe Israelis can go there.
They’ll probably take forty years to do it like when they left Egypt in the first place
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I mean … they certainly have the spirit of a warrior… too bad that they in the body of squirrels.
How is threatening to murder civilians “the spirit of a warrior”
He didn’t say which warrior. Most warriors in history did the murder men rape women thing. Popular ideas of a warrior and reality don’t always jive.
…okay I’ll bite: Why squirrels?
for no reason, wanted something smol and cuddly.
Squirrels will fuck you up, dude.
