So, I just got my copy of the Lower Deckā€™s Handbook (itā€™s AMAZING) but one of the sections of the handbook goes into the legacy of the ships to carry the name Cerritos. (Think along the terms of the ships to carry the name Stargazer) and one in particular caught my eyeā€¦

A Leif Ericson class USS Cerritos was answering a distress call from Earth (in a manner not dissimilar to the Enterprise-E in First Contact), but before the Cerritos could reach Earth a Klingon Bird of Prey manned by Captain Kirk beat them to it.

But an unforeseen consequence of Kirkā€™s time hopping erased the Leif Ericson class from reality.

It was a short blurb, but I actually felt chills. Iā€™m reminded of the scene where Spock expresses uncertainty on how to accurately bring them back to the present, and Bones tells Spock to just go with his gut or something along those terms.

With the implied context that a miscalculation on Spockā€™s part led to the erasure of the Leif Ericson class and presumably all hands, do you think Spock made the right call, given what he knew at the time?

  • Wooster@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
    6Ā·
    11 months ago

    I mean, thatā€™s easy to say, because weā€™re not attached to the Leif Ericsson class or anyone onboard.

    But would the same argument be made if instead it was Bajor, or Kronos that disappeared from existence?

    • Value Subtracted@startrek.websiteEnglish
      6Ā·
      11 months ago

      Well thatā€™s the thing - something canā€™t really ā€œdisappear from existence,ā€ unless weā€™re talking about something that did exist and was destroyed.

      But if it never existed at allā€¦well, thereā€™s literally nothing lost.

      The exception to this would be if Kirk and his crew remembered the Cerritos existing before the time travel shenanigans.

      • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4Ā·
        11 months ago

        But if it never existed at allā€¦well, thereā€™s literally nothing lost.

        But from an objective, non-linear perspective, the USS Leif Ericson did exist, before it was erased. A temporal agent with a timeline map would be able to follow the ship across its own personal timeline, until the point where it abruptly ends because the timeline it is currently in caused it to be erased.

        Itā€™s similar to the Federation and billions of Borg lives existing and not existing in First Contact, or any of the myriad times the Federation was erased by time travel, and then restored.