r/redditalternatives thread: This is why I don’t trust anything on reddit. A r/modcoord thread full of anti-fediverse comments, and all of my pro-fediverse comments are removed and the mods won’t answer why. https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205116/https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/193iuf1/this_is_why_i_dont_trust_anything_on_reddit_a/
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they are terrified of the fediverse. it offers everything they do, but with none of the bullshit… all we need is momentum.
I’m pretty happy with fediverse as it is. If we had the size they do id be yelling into the wind again like in my last years there. I don’t want this place to be anything like what reddit became. Now that i know what it can be like i don’t want to go back, not even to reddit circa 2010 when i found it
I want the niche subs to migrate. And for that, the Fediverse needs to be the default, which requires numbers.
Yeah it’s a damn tricky balance. In order for there to be enough people to support super niche communities, you need a shit load of people. If you have a shit load of people, then posts on All have tens of thousands of comments, so the odds of you being able to say something and have a discussion goes drastically down.
Personally, I love being able to sort by Top 12 Hours, comment on the top post and having people respond. I also like that it’s not at all rare to have someone comment on a post I made weeks ago, since posts aren’t drowned out by the mass of content. Sure I don’t have a community to talk about the nitty gritty details of the latest game I’m playing, or whatever, but I think it’s a nice trade off.
It doesn’t have to be that way here. Each instance can have its own news and politics communities, while sharing the niche stuff.
I wonder if an Instance can choose to not federate specific communities. Maybe the tech isn’t there yet, but it can be.
Yeah, I am super happy with what we have here, Redditors can come here at whatever pace they like but I won’t rush them. I spent my last month on Reddit (in June) helping people move to Lemmy, but there were so many comments of “why are you still here then, lul”, so I left that site and haven’t bothered since.
why are you still here then
I ignore those, or just answer to encourage more people to move. It’s important to still have people on reddit encouraging and helping people migrate.
why are you still here then, lul
I dont understand that mindset from people. are they trying to bait you into conversation or put you down or are they genuinely not know that “a captain leaves the ship last to rescues his crew”
I suppose they were trying to be witty like saying “Farewell and see you back here tomorrow!” as I suppose most of the casual users will have stayed with the platform.
I tried. Maybe I’ll post a new FAQ post in like 4 months for the sake of anyone still curious after a year since a lot has changed and improved since then.
Agree, we shouldn’t subscribe to the “growth before everything” mentality here. Quality of comments is generally quite high with a much better signal to noise ratio.
Also it’s nice to NOT see the same tired comment chains under each and every top comment.I don’t want this place to be anything like what reddit became
Unfortunately, most of the migrating communities have been meme subs. So it may be inevitable as any site tries to appeal to the mainstream.
The real problem is its relatively easy to make a product that offers everything reddit does because reddit isn’t special.
It’s the users. We have the power to move, all we need is a reasonable alternative.
They wouldn’t be punching down if they didn’t think this was a threat to them.
Most of those comments criticizing Lemmy are actually criticisms that apply to reddit.
I’m far more likely to find a community full of Nazis on reddit than I am here. It’s not something that most instances would tolerate. Meanwhile, the default subs on reddit have comment sections filled with thinly veiled white nationalist accounts and drop-shipping scambots.
I guess technically such instances do exist in the fediverse, but they’re effectively silenced because every major instance defederates from them.
They’re are definitely some real aggressive ones, I lost my old account but I had one constantly try to pick apart every aspect of what I said. It ended up with me basically saying I’m confused at this point, I might be too autistic to understand where you’re coming from. Then they accused me of lying because I admitted to being wrong on a few points.
I’m not a fan of their aggressiveness, they are an extreme but not fascist extreme.
Most instances here however are still federated with hexbears who constantly spread fascist Russian and Chinese Propaganda.
“Fascist” isn’t really the correct term since they’re subscribers to left-wing authoritarianism/state Marxism, whereas fascism is exclusively right-wing. Don’t get me wrong – it’s still problematic – but at least their end goals are ostensibly worthy (whether or not you think they’re sincere about actually achieving communism as a stateless, classless society is another matter), while fascism seeks oppression by design.
I’ve had hexbears be consistently hostile and even outright bigoted (which surprised me), so I block the instance and every hexbear account on sight, but I do at least understand why an instance might not fully defederate from them.
outright bigoted
Just because they take a different approach to improving peoples conditions that is more concrete than the paper thin protections offered by capitalist societies gay acceptance doesnt make them outright bigoted. Which is basically a ‘we wont put you in an insane asylum or prison anymore but we will use you as moral panic bait forever in our newspapers to turn a profit’ approach.
LGBT+ liberation must include improving peoples material conditions, countries actively being genocided or deprived because of western policies deserve our support as victims of our own aggression too; If you actually care about LGBT+ people globally it means stopping our devestation of them, then letting them heal.
I’ve been to China, I felt much more safe there as a openly bi man with my male partner at the time than I ever do in the UK; our news whips people up into a frenzy and makes people attack each other physically, you dont get the same undercurrent of rage in socialist countries towards LGBT+ people, just a lack of understanding.
Not to mention the way the imperial core constantly stokes up homophobia and transphobia abroad
Lets not even mention how China has entire 200+ million population zones that have been openly tolerant and accepting of trans people culturally, forever (Shanghai) and that China isnt even actively oppressive towards LGBT+ people, just ignorant in some areas.
Nowhere in China are politicans debating actively genociding trans people, they are in Florida. Trans people are also the medias current beating horse in the UK.
A lot less homeless gay and trans children too.
Next to none, as well as a 90% outright ownership rate.
I know trans comrades here in the UK who have been forcibly no-fault evicted 6 times in the last 2 years when the landlords found they where trans out. They suddenly ‘decided’ to move in, usually leaving them homeless and having to scramble to rent somewhere at half there monthly income while working two insecure jobs and being unable to access health care.
How is this better?
It’s not incorrect to refer to China’s and Russia’s governments as fascist.
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The shoe doesn’t fit, though. That’s not the meaning of the term.
A true Marxist doesn’t support authoritarian governments
Stalinism operated under the auspices of Marxism, as did Maoism. Like it or not, these are Marxists. The problem is they’re authoritarian Marxists, not fascists.
And fascists don’t call everyone they disagree with “liberal.” I myself reject liberalism, which upholds capitalism and other inequitable hierarchies. Shall we call liberals “fascist” as well, since they too engage in oppression and exploitation of marginalized groups? Certainly not, and nor should we call authoritarian leftists “fascists.”
Fascism is a strictly right-wing ideology. Far right, in fact, which is why we typically don’t call liberals by the term, even though it too is a less extreme right-wing ideology.
Not really. Most instances I’ve seen aren’t federated with them. I had to go out of my way to find an instance that was because I don’t want defederation to be the first tool now that instance blocking exists on a user level. I also didn’t want the biased and trigger-happy mods of Lemmy.ml who seem to ban users and delete comments at a moment’s notice. Notably, the biggest instance, lemmy.world, is not federated with them, and so for most first-time users who go there it does make Lemmy a less hostile place.
go back to reddit
“Fascist”
Man words really don’t have meaning anymore.
John B Fascae (the inventor of fascism) is rolling in his grave.
Friendly reminder for everyone here - not just the poster above - that the topic of this community is Reddit. There’s lots of leeway for off-topic, but this sort of discussion about instances and geopolitics is bound to create unnecessary conflict here.
Do I have to keep tapping the sign? Or can you just stop trying to equate communists with fascists?
11 downvotes, yikes.
In a just world, this kind of comment would be grounds for a warrant to search your hard drive for illegal content. They’d probably bust a lot of creeps that way.
In a just world, this kind of comment would be grounds for a warrant to search your hard drive for illegal content. They’d probably bust a lot of creeps that way.
Omega_Haxors, you’re free to defend hexbear or any other instance as much as you want. However witch hunting is not to be tolerated, as per rules #1 and #4, and implying that someone must be a criminal (or a “creep”) for having a stupid take on hexbear and two governments is witch hunting. Don’t do this.
Further violations of the rules will not be tolerated, specially not if witch hunting is involved.
it’s a problem with an elegant solution: block that instance on user level. Unlike reddit, you will have to mute a community, and block all the user one by one.
Blocking on a user level kinda sucks. When you’re in a conversation you expect to be participating in the same conversation as everyone else, not to be blind to half of what is going on.
I think it’s based on which Instance the community is on. If it’s on lemm.ee you might be right. If it’s on LW, they won’t even see it to be able to comment.
But that’s what blocking supposed to mean. You refuse communication with specific user/instance and that’s it, it’s a bit extreme to demand everyone to participate with your ban just so your feed will looks consistent. You might not encounter the problem when you’re in an instance that defed with them, but it will be the same when you went to another instance that still federated with them.
it’s a bit extreme to demand everyone to participate with your ban just so
your feed will looks consistentJust so we’re all participating in the same conversation, yes. Yeah, I agree it’s extreme, but sometimes it’s called for.
I’m pretty happy with lemmy.world’s federation at the moment.
r/worldnews turned into pro-Israel, genocide fan club. Most of the main news subs became the same after October 7th. Politics has no place in administration yet that’s what undid so many once great subs
Why are you surprised?
We left reddit for good reason.
I’ve also been pretty creeped out by how many pro-reddit people there are on lemmy. It’s really weird.
I haven’t found that many, that’s surprising
I haven’t really seen that many, are you noticing them somewhere in particular?
I feel like I’m more “pro-Reddit” than a lot of other users here, in that I’m supportive of people that want to use both while working on the Lemmy alternative to whatever subreddit they might still want to use.
Some useful communities didn’t get rolling on here yet (career communities, niche hobbies and interests, social causes) and it’s ok if people want to check them to keep up. People have lives outside of Reddit/Lemmy.
That’s about the extent of the pro-Reddit that I’ve seen on here. It’s possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation? I can take a look later too
No, not one place in particular. All over. This thread https://sh.itjust.works/post/12661975 is a recent example. When I got there it was full of people making excuses for people staying on reddit, and I got downvoted for pointing it out https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7470095.
I’ve even seen it in places like lemmy.world/reddit, so I’m glad that !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml exists.
It’s possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation?
I considered that, but it’s not just votes, there are plenty of comments too.
Ohh ok
Yea I personally find most of those points reasonable, but I get why you might disagree
As for your point in that comment: If some community actively opposes migrating, then that’s likely bad and it should be called out. A lot of the communities I’ve encountered seem to have the mindset of “we are open to it but don’t have the time/energy to do it ourselves”. I’m helping with a few communities like that :)
What communities have you found that to be the case? I’m not a power user by any means but have not seen a single comment that was pro-reddit. Just a bunch of people that hate spez as if he killed their dog.
Bots and shills
Is it some requirement that people on Lemmy can’t use or like Reddit also?
If they were so pro-reddit, they wouldn’t be posting in a niche place like this.
It’s so weird because r/modcoord is the place to be when talking about reddit blackout, it’s where people get info on what’s happening, what to do, and how to move on, but then now it’s back to business. The reddit blackout sure give me a clearer perspective on why a lot of boycott fail.
Reddit made it pretty clear pretty quickly they weren’t going to change their minds, so mods either put their money where their mouths were and left Reddit, or became scabs. It’s only the scabs that’d still be visiting /r/modcoord.
Imo, the boycott failed when mods of popular subreddits caved to demands and decided to reopen.
As soon as they reopened, reddit was back in business. The mods tried to pass it off as “well we’re going to protest within the rules of Reddit” by doing shit like only post John Oliver or really childish shit.
It was funny but still childish.
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
I really wanted the blackout to work. And it could have. But when the mods caved, reddit won.
If you and me came here because of the api thing, we won. Reddit doesn’t know what they’re missing cus we’re cool and great
It’s great because folks here give a shit.
And if you want to get a hold of a mod or a admin/sysop, you can.
We’re all just users, trying to make this place the best we can. ❤️
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
My guess is that they decided that the little fictitious power that they had over their communities was worth dealing with an obnoxious administration, that outright belittles them as “landed gentry”. As such, they never actually planned any sort of migration out of Reddit, and instead rationalised their decision to stay there as “we’re thinking on the users”.
I’d have to check, but I think even during the protest there were some issues around modcoord. The users in control seemed to be recommending against Lemmy and for Kbin (or some other thing that never took off), and removing comments that disagreed.
Meanwhile Lemmy and Kbin have been coexisting amicably lol
So now that Lemmy/Kbin have settled in as the key alternatives, they are clamping down harder?
Edit: Interesting, I had some details off but it looks like the user who pushed for Kbin is the one making this thread. Nice to see that the user is open minded
Now, I want to make a bold statement: I think Lemmy is the best alternative to Reddit, and the most likely to compete with it, even though it has a long way to go against Reddit itself. I used to be a Lemmy supporter, but then I moved to Kbin and recommended others to do the same, after learning about the problematic political views of Lemmy’s developers, especially regarding human rights and such. But I realized later that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and that this is not an issue as long as the project is open source, with an open development, and as long as you avoid instances like lemmygrad. Most instances, like lemmy.world (which is also the biggest Lemmy instance), are not run by them and do not share their views. Lemmy’s developers also clarified that their personal views will not affect the platform itself.
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Rust is just a better technology than PHP.
I love lemmygrad! I can see different povs than the western centric l ones we get.
As far as i know they haven’t yet destroyed my mind comrade (oops!) Uh oh…
I don’t love lemmygrad but I love that it exists. I don’t mind hearing differing opinions, quite the opposite; I welcome it. Probably an unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t mind having more right-wingers here aswell. The only thing I have an issue with regarding groups like this is the trolling.
I don’t mind hearing differing opinions, quite the opposite; I welcome it.
Indeed, though i disagree with you that i want more right-wingers here lol. Im happy to have left that noise on reddit. Can’t you hear them off in the distance? strains to hear
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Yup, they’re still at it!
Jokes aside i actually like going to them for the explicit purpose of destroying my biases and bad arguments. Other people’s biases are easier to see than one’s own i figure, but i know i have them, right? I have to. Everyone does.
I go on FOX news too, and see the way they “frame” things because it’s easier to see when they’re saying things i disagree with.
Watching FOX and then other, more 'left wing news’sources has been tremendously helpful to me, because i notice the “framing” trick when they employ it too. I really hate when anyone attempts to manipulate my emotion for what i assume is their gain, so i put in the work to avoid it if i can.
Figuring this shit out is a lot of work to be honest. Even a truthful source can be misleading as hell by omitting important context. Just like for hardware review, or video game review, or whatever, I try to find someone whose reporting omit nothing on some stuff I heavily researched (it’s rare), and only then I feel comfortable weighting in their report on the stuff I know less about.
On the other hand, a lot of people just eat everything up from some random source they grew up with because the alternative is a lot of work, mentally and emotionally.
That being said, there is a certain point where listening to those people’s opinions stop being fruitful. Hence, I don’t really care about any extremist views in places like Lemmy.
Figuring this shit out is a lot of work to be honest.
You said it man, it’s tiring as shit. I do it anyway, fueled by spite an a hatred of being lied to
You still there? You’re contributing to the problem, no matter how much you think you aren’t.
Need to encourage more communities to move to Lemmy.
Perhaps “we” (users in general) could be a bit more strategic with this. Reddit admins have a noticeable disdain for the smaller subs there, and yet they are [were?] what shaped Reddit the most, and made it fun. They are bound to have some grievances with Reddit; and even if the Fediverse is rather small, here they’d have some room for growth that they wouldn’t with the competition of larger subs.
Of course they are. Mods there in general are ridiculous. Remember when less than 20 supermods had a huge hand in controlling hundreds of the top Subs?
Or, how they talked about standing up during the API change with the blackout and then almost immediately folded when even the whiff of their imaginary sense power was threaten? Never have seen such incredulous mass backpedaling.
Screw that platform. Too much over centralisation, anyway. Fediverse is the way.
We need to just start calling it L so it doesn’t get auto filtered
Yep, it’s a shithole. I was banned from a half dozen major subs for pointing out factual information about the war crimes and behavior of the IDF. Nothing breaking sub or site rules, just pure mod abuse. Reddit did nothing even when faced with the obvious.
There were dozens of accounts calling for genocide and spreading hate openly. I reported every one of them. Again, Reddit did nothing (to them). I was given a permanent site ban for “report abuse.” Over 13 years on that site and obvious political bias has polluted it; they’ll break every rule to go after people and refuse to engage in good faith.
Notice how a commenter here https://archive.ph/cV8X6 says “I think the removals are being / have been reversed”, which is totally false. I see that a lot.
Maybe they are afraid
This is the 3rd Starship Troopers reference I’ve seen on Lemmy this week, and frankly, I am super stoked about it. I love that movie!
Eventually the people will see the truth and decide for themselves. Apart of me thinks that its a good thing that there isn’t THAT many people coming over to Lemmy, but another part would love to see how it would flourish with even more users. Either way we can just hope for the best of the platform.
“Lemmy” has been automatically removed for a few months on Reddit. There are too many comments here for me to sift through them all, so apologies if this was covered elsewhere.
A comment mentioning Lemmy of mine got deleted
You can’t spell “reddit” without “a fuck ton of astroturf”
