But this view of the world is objectively incorrect at basically any scale observable, so why engage with it?
Moreover, if you zoom in, even conservatives appreciate charity within their own community as a positive trait, and see selfishness or callous indifference within their community as a negative trait. If you can have empathy for a starving child who attends your church, but not for one who attends a different church, all that means is that you have a very narrow view of where your community ends.
Most reasonable people see this as the former case - selfishness and callous indifference, leading them to conclude that the boundaries being drawn around the conservative community are, in fact, based on prejudice, and not any kind of internally consistently morality.
We can’t because they won’t let us. The rich people they worship tell them not to listen. If the left does something to better their life, their overlords take credit or tell them why it’s actually bad. If the right does something that makes their lives more miserable, they explain that it would have worked if not for those liberals or minorities or whatever.
Nearly all my extended family was rural south conservatives. They’re selfish people.
If everyone is a result of their circumstances as the left claims (and as much of the research claims) then be the change of those circumstances you wish to see. Expose these people to the thinking and information you believe to be so transformative and true
And all you’ve done is demonstrate that you don’t understand what the left is fighting for. We are (probably the only ones) fighting to change the circumstances. Those benefiting from those circumstances, aka the capitalist, white supremacist, patriarchal, ableist, cis-heteronormative status quo, even if very mildly, being uncomfortable is a tiny price they’re just going to have to pay, because prioritising the their personal comfort over change is how we got here in the first place.
Nah, toleration is a treaty, you break it, you’re no longer protected by it, conservatism in America literally is incapable of existing without violating the treaty.
Several of my family members are very right wing, and they’ve pretty much all made it clear that they think anyone who doesn’t work exactly as hard or harder than they do deserves to be put out in the streets.
I love everyone in my family but it’s pretty difficult to rationalize that way of thinking. This is why we don’t discuss politics at family gatherings lol
Whaaaaaa bigots are bigots because marginalised people weren’t nice enough to them!!11 🤢
(hint: blaming systemic problems on individuals is never the answer, especially when the individuals you blame are the only ones calling out said system. Bigots are bigots because it benefits those in power for society to be as divided as it is, and as long as that is the case, no amount of coddling will fix the problem, it only makes a handful of bigots a little more comfortable, while the rest continue as they were)
I think a big part of this issue is conflating of terms. We see it all the time. There’s a big difference between conservative citizens and conservative politicians. People don’t differentiate which one they’re talking about, leaving the reader to assume the wrong one, and therefore the op must not know what they’re taking about.
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But this view of the world is objectively incorrect at basically any scale observable, so why engage with it?
Moreover, if you zoom in, even conservatives appreciate charity within their own community as a positive trait, and see selfishness or callous indifference within their community as a negative trait. If you can have empathy for a starving child who attends your church, but not for one who attends a different church, all that means is that you have a very narrow view of where your community ends.
Most reasonable people see this as the former case - selfishness and callous indifference, leading them to conclude that the boundaries being drawn around the conservative community are, in fact, based on prejudice, and not any kind of internally consistently morality.
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We can’t because they won’t let us. The rich people they worship tell them not to listen. If the left does something to better their life, their overlords take credit or tell them why it’s actually bad. If the right does something that makes their lives more miserable, they explain that it would have worked if not for those liberals or minorities or whatever.
Nearly all my extended family was rural south conservatives. They’re selfish people.
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And all you’ve done is demonstrate that you don’t understand what the left is fighting for. We are (probably the only ones) fighting to change the circumstances. Those benefiting from those circumstances, aka the capitalist, white supremacist, patriarchal, ableist, cis-heteronormative status quo, even if very mildly, being uncomfortable is a tiny price they’re just going to have to pay, because prioritising the their personal comfort over change is how we got here in the first place.
You basically just said, “No we don’t hate the poor! We just believe in the just world fallacy (A philosophy which inherently contempts the poor)!”
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Nah, toleration is a treaty, you break it, you’re no longer protected by it, conservatism in America literally is incapable of existing without violating the treaty.
Several of my family members are very right wing, and they’ve pretty much all made it clear that they think anyone who doesn’t work exactly as hard or harder than they do deserves to be put out in the streets.
I love everyone in my family but it’s pretty difficult to rationalize that way of thinking. This is why we don’t discuss politics at family gatherings lol
Whaaaaaa bigots are bigots because marginalised people weren’t nice enough to them!!11 🤢
(hint: blaming systemic problems on individuals is never the answer, especially when the individuals you blame are the only ones calling out said system. Bigots are bigots because it benefits those in power for society to be as divided as it is, and as long as that is the case, no amount of coddling will fix the problem, it only makes a handful of bigots a little more comfortable, while the rest continue as they were)
~~But I am literally asking for perspective here…
And you didn’t address anything I said, and a lot of things I didn’t.~~
Edit: My bad, thought this was a reply to my comment.
I think a big part of this issue is conflating of terms. We see it all the time. There’s a big difference between conservative citizens and conservative politicians. People don’t differentiate which one they’re talking about, leaving the reader to assume the wrong one, and therefore the op must not know what they’re taking about.
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