• LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s lousy being blocked by an entire section of the site and now labelled a bigot because some trolls made their accounts on the same instance as me.

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      Agreed, it sucks. But their admins are talking to our admins, and so far ours seem like they have their heads screwed on pretty well, so I’m sure it’ll only be for a short time.

      Oust the shitheads, promote the stand-up sh.it.heads, I say.

      • LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works
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        To be honest I had no idea that people from this instance were doing it until one troll post bragging about getting us banned from Beehaw and explained how he did it, along with a comic book supervillian diatribe about how the Fediverse isn’t safe and long live Reddit.

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          This will keep happening.

          I’ve seen DDOS attacks launched between rival guilds of MMORPGs. People will find an excuse to be assholes to each other online.

          The defederation of Beehaw.org to protect itself is a feature, not a bug. It sucks for the people involved, but I’m liking how the community has managed to come together in light of the actions. Defederating works: it allowed Beehaw.org to ban the trolls and continue their community discussions.

          And I say this as a lemmy.world user who was (and still am) cut-off from Beehaw.org. I’d like to get access restored there ASAP, but you know, I’m glad to see that the new tools available here on the Fediverse that didn’t exist in Reddit-world.

          Future attacks, invasions, and other such rivalries between communities will only grow bigger, harsher, more serious as time goes on. Consider this whole situation to be just a test of the times to come.

        • qprimed@lemmy.ml
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          such users will eventually be relegated to their own little isolated fediverse.

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            How though? The fediverse is… Federated. They can hop from server to server and be annoying to their heart’s content and everyone on every federated server will get exposed to it. That and the traditional tools of the trade whereby if your account ever gets banned, you just make a new one.

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            1 year ago

            I saw the same post the comment above is referring to and their description is accurate. And I also saw the offending post they put on beehaw. Some low effort troll homophobic thing. Their posts on both beehaw and sh.itjust.works were both quickly down voted and removed I think, because I couldn’t find either again shortly after I first saw it.

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              Damn… Yeah, to be honest, it makes me understand things from beehaw’s perspective quite a bit, then.

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          just a heads up, in the past beehaw has accused other instances of brigadding, and being bigots over disagreements that had nothing to do with the such (I know that becuase that was story 3 and 4 respectivly) there is a decent chance that they have done the blocking over a difrent reason (like to exert a level of control) and then back justified. I will be really honest, do not take the beehaw admins word at face value for anything

    • AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
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      I mean the easy solution is to have your instance enable registration screening. That’s what it’s for. It takes less than a minute to answer most instances’ registration yet (based on experience) that simple barrier is enough to stop most trolls.

      Until a Lemmy instance gets large enough to actually hire full time admins to catch and remove abusive content ASAP, I don’t see instances reasonably being able to go without registration screening because the trolls will seize on that opportunity every time.

      Admins of larger instances see it all the time:

      1. New instance pops up, yay! And most instances automatically federate with new instances!

      2. It doesn’t have registration screening, this is quickly discovered by trolls and adbots and the instance gets filled with rule breaking content.

      3. Large instances start blocking it because by federating with an instance that is being used in this way degrades the quality of your own instance and adds a ton of workload to your (unpaid) mods and admins.

      4. The instance eventually enables registration screening, and other instances start unblocking it.

      It’s happened with plenty of instances before and will probably keep happening as long as spam and trolling exist.

    • TWeaK@lemmy.ml
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      Make an account in another instance, there are lots of them.

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        When other instances have abstract requirements and a manual approval process that takes who-knows-how-long, though, that’s not always such an easy ask. People want to be where other people are, and those busier instances are the ones that set harder requirements.

        When I left Reddit, I signed up on two instances: lemmy.ml and beehaw. I was eventually approved for lemmy.ml, but even now trying to access beehaw just hangs on the login page perpetually, presumably because I have not been approved and there’s nothing else I can do on my end.

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          Ironic that “accounts will be portable - if you don’t like the behaviour, practices, or community of one instance, you can take your data and leave” was touted as the big selling point of the Fediverse.

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            On more mature projects this is indeed the case. Lemmy only started federating a few years ago and is very much still in beta. We’ll get there eventually and it is already in the dev queue, but keep in mind that there are only two people working on the entire codebase full time.

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          Not all instances do that. Many instances accept you right away.

          At the bottom of any webpage (rather than the app) there is an Instances link that lists pretty much all of them. Click a few that catch your eye.

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        I think they were using the open sign ups to join and then harass people, a lot of which were in other instances, in particular beehaw.org. Now beehaw has defederated from sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world.

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      Yeah, I’m sure it doesn’t feel great, but I didn’t get the sense that they were trying to personally attack everyone on the relevant servers, but more of a “we’re only four people, did not expect our instance to become a “default” community, and are completely underwater from a moderation perspective. We need to pull a rip cord to get this under control”

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        Wait did sh.itjust.works do anything? I thought the story was that beehaw.org cut them and lemmy.world off, but only for people browsing on beehaw.

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          No Beehaw did not like how Sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world are run, did a complant session about how their mod tools are not talored to give them an excise of power on users not based in their instance, and then cut them off saying “they are willing to negotiate reopening.” Personaly I see this like union bargoning, we are stronger all sticking together and not bending to beehaws wims