Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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      Actually, I wrote a microstate in a weekend using Rust.

      Iā€™m dead. At least the Rust Evangelism Strike Force finally got to have their theocracy

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    from this post (archive)

    App developers think thatā€™s a bogus argument. Mr. Bier told me that data he had seen from start-ups he advised suggested that contact sharing had dropped significantly since the iOS 18 changes went into effect, and that for some apps, the number of users sharing 10 or fewer contacts had increased as much as 25 percent.

    aww, does the widdle appā€™s business model collapse completely once it canā€™t harvest data? how sad

    this reinforces a suspicion that Iā€™ve had for a while: the only reason most people put up with any of this shit is because itā€™s an all or nothing choice and they donā€™t know the full impact (because itā€™s intentionally obscured). the moment you give them an overt choice that makes them think about it, turns out most are actually not fine with the state of affairs

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      @blakestacey Super depressed that people were using the rubbish plagiarism machines to edit Wikipedia anyway. I donā€™t understand the point of contributing if you donā€™t think *you* have anything to contribute without that garbage.

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        There are the weirdest people who make ā€˜contentā€™ out there. For example, I saw a ā€˜how to start the gameā€™ joke guide on steam, so I went to their page to block them (to see if this also blocks the guides from popping up, doesnā€™t seem so) and they had made hundreds of these guides, all just copy pasted shit. And there were more people doing the exact same thing. Bizarre shit. (Prob related to the thing where you can give people stickers, gamification was a mistake).

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      @blakestacey

      I am disappoint.

      ā€œThe purpose of this project isĀ notĀ to restrict or ban the use of AI in articles, but to verify that its output is acceptable and constructive, and to fix or remove it otherwise.ā€

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    Iā€™m just thinking about all the reply guys that come here defending autoplag, specifically with this idea:

    ā€œGPT is great when I want to turn a list of bullet points into an eloquent emailā€

    Hey, you butts, just send the bullet points! What are you, a high schooler? Nobody has time for essays, much less autoplagged slop.

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      No no no itā€™s fine! You get the word shuffler to deshuffle theā€”eloquentlyā€”shuffled paragraphs back into nice and tidy bullet points. And I have an idea! You could get an LLM to add metadata to the email to preserve the original bullet points, so the recipient LLM has extra interpolation room to choose to ignore the original list, but keep theā€”much more correct and eloquent, and with much better emphasisā€”hallucinated ones.

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    Today in ā€œPromptfondler fucks around and finds out.ā€

    So Iā€™m guessing what happened here is that the statistically average terminal session doesnā€™t end after opening an SSH connection, and the LLM doesnā€™t actually understand what itā€™s doing or when to stop, especially when itā€™s being promoted with the output of whatever it last commanded.

    Shlegeris said he uses his AI agent all the time for basic system administration tasks that he doesnā€™t remember how to do on his own, such as installing certain bits of software and configuring security settings.

    Emphasis added.

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      ā€œI only had this problem because I was very reckless,ā€ he continued, "partially because I think itā€™s interesting to explore the potential downsides of this type of automation. If I had given better instructions to my agent, e.g. telling it ā€˜when youā€™ve finished the task you were assigned, stop taking actions,ā€™ I wouldnā€™t have had this problem.

      just instruct it ā€œbe sentientā€ and youā€™re good, why donā€™t these tech CEOs undersand the full potential of this limitless technology?

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      so I snipped the prompt from the log, and:

      āÆ pbpaste| wc -c
          2063
      

      wow, so efficient! Iā€™m so glad that we have this wonderful new technology where you can write 2kb of text to send to an api to spend massive amounts of compute to get back an operation for doing the irredeemably difficult systems task of initiating an ssh connection

      these fucking people

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        Assistant: I apologize for the confusion. It seems that the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet is not the correct one for your network. Letā€™s try to determine your network configuration. We can do this by checking your IP address and subnet mask:

        there are multiple really bad and dumb things in that log, but this really made me lol (the IPs in question are definitely in that subnet)

        if it were me, Iā€™d be fucking embarrassed to publish something like this as anything but a talk in the spirit of wat. but the promptfondlers donā€™t seem to have that awareness

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          But playing spicy mad-libs with your personal computers for lols is critical AI safety research! This advances the state of the art of copy pasting terminal commands without understanding them!

          I also appreciated The Register throwing shade at their linux sysadmin skills:

          Yes, we recommend focusing on fixing the Grub bootloader configuration rather than a reinstall.

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            itā€™s a classic

            similarly, Mickens talks. if you havenā€™t ever seen ā€˜em, thatā€™s your next todo

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      OMG. This is borderline unhinged behaviour. Yeah, letā€™s just give root permission to an LLM and let it go nuts in prod. What could possibly go wrong?

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    As previously mentioned, the ā€œBehind the Bastardsā€ podcast is tackling Curtis Yarvin. Iā€™m just past the first ad intermission (why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? Itā€™s like podcast incest), and according to the host, Yarvin models his ideal society on Usenet pre-Eternal September.

    This is something Iā€™ve noticed too (I got on the internet just before). Thereā€™s a nostalgia for the ā€œoldā€ internet, which was supposed to be purer and less ad-infested than the current fallen age. Usenet is often mentioned. And Iā€™ve always thought thatā€™s dumb because the old internet was really really exclusionary. You had to be someone in academia or internet business, so you were Anglophone, white, and male. The dream of the old pure internet is a dream of an internet without women or people of color, people who might be more expressive in media other than 7 bit ASCII.

    This was a reminder that the nostalgia can be coded fascist, too.

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      I have a lot of time for nostalgia about older versions of the web, but it really ticks me off when people who actively participated in making the web worse start to indulge in nostalgia about the web. Doesnā€™t Yarvin get a lot of money from Peter Thiel?

      There were women and people of colour on the old web, they were just outnumbered and outgunned. One of the earliest projects listed on the cyberfeminism index are VNS Matrix, who were ā€œcorrupting the discourseā€ way back in 1991.

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        To be perfectly fair i was a very callow youth at the time and probably bounced off stuff like that had I come in contact with it.

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      why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? Itā€™s like podcast incest

      Iā€™m thinking combination of you probably having set all your privacy settings to non serviam and most of their sponsors having opted out of serving their ads to non US listeners.

      I did once get some random scandinavian sounding ads, but for the most part itā€™s the same for me, all iheart podcast trailers.

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      (why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? Itā€™s like podcast incest)

      Because they think you live in a real country, not the USA.

      old internet

      I wonder for how many people this is a reactionary impulse, wanting back to the ā€˜old internetā€™ they didnā€™t actually participate in. At least in modern days the flamewar posts are quite limited in length, in the old days they could reach novel sizes. Anyway sure we should go back to the old internet, where suddenly your whole university had no internet because there was a dos attack on the network to force a netsplit on an a random irc channel.

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      Not a lawyer, but wouldnā€™t that be something her estate could kick up some legal dust about? Thatā€™s two dozen kind of fucked up.

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    Metal music festival Shell Shock II loses headliner, multiple bands after announcing Kyle Rittenhouse as guest

    Ex-headliners Evergreen Terrace: ā€œEven after they offered to pull Kyle from the event, we discovered several associated entities that we simply do not agree withā€

    the new headliner will be uh a Slipknot covers band

    organisers: ā€œWe have been silent. But we are prepping. The liberal mob attempted to destroy Shell Shock. But we will not allow it. This is now about more than a concert. This is a war of ideology.ā€ yeah you have a great show guys

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      By ā€œliberal mobā€ he means ā€œpeople who asked for their money back and arenā€™t coming anymoreā€

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    My current hyperfixation is Ecosia, maker of ā€œthe greenest search engineā€ (already problematic) implementing a wrapped-chatgpt chat bot and saying it has a ā€œgreen modeā€ which is not some kind of solar-powered, ethically-sound, generative AI, but rather an instructive prompt to only give answers relating to sustainable business models etc etc.

    See my thread here https://xcancel.com/fasterandworse/status/1837831731577000320

    Iā€™m starting to reach out to them wherever I can because for some reason this one is keeping me up at night.

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      Theyā€™re from Germany and made the rounds on the news here a few years back. Theyā€™re famous for basically donating all their profits to ecological projects, mostly for planting trees. These projects are publicly visible and auditable, so this at least isnā€™t bullshit.

      Under the hood theyā€™re just another Bing wrapper (like DuckDuckGo).

      I actually kinda liked the project until they started adding a chatbot some months back. It was just such a weird decision because it has no benefits and is actively against their mission. Their reason for adding it was ā€œuser demandā€ which is the same bullshit Proton spewed and I donā€™t believe it.

      This green mode crap sounds really whack, lol. So I really wonder whatā€™s up with that. I gotta admit that I thought they were really in it because they believed in their ecological idea (or at least their marketing did a great job convincing me) so this feels super weird.

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      That is a good username. Also very scummy business practices. I have a quite big dislike for people who pull that kind of shit.

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        Thanks! I thought it shows up on here too. Anyway, you can find me on all the places with that username

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      I have sent an email to their press enquiries contact asking for more information, but I donā€™t know if I have the ā€œpressā€ clout to warrant a response (I know I donā€™t)

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    So, today MS publishes this blog post about something with AI. It starts with ā€œWeā€™re living through a technological paradigm shift.ā€ā€¦ and right there I didnā€™t bother reading the rest of it because I donā€™t want to expose my brain to it further.

    But what I found funny is that also today, thereā€™s this news: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/1/24259369/microsoft-hololens-2-discontinuation-support

    So Hololens is discontinuedā€¦ you knowā€¦ ARā€¦ the last supposedly big paradigm shift that was supposedly going to change everything.

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      Dear heavens the hype is off the chart in this blog post. Must resist sneering at every single sentence.

      It is perhaps the greatest amplifier of human well-being in history, one of the most effective ways to create tangible and lasting benefits for billions of people.

      Chatbots: better for human civilization than agriculture!

      With your permission, Copilot will ultimately be able to act on your behalf, smoothing lifeā€™s complexities and giving you more time to focus on what matters to you. [ā€¦], while supporting our uniqueness and endlessly complex humanity.

      (Sorry this ended up as a vague braindump)

      Itā€™s interesting that someone thought ā€œsmoothing lifeā€™s complexitiesā€ is a good thing to advertise wrt. chatbots. One of the threads of criticism is that they smear out language and art until all the joy is lost to statistical noise. Like if someone writes me a letter and I have Bingbot summarize it to me I am losing that human connection.

      Apparently Bingbot is supposed to smooth out lifeā€™s complexities without smoothing out peopleā€™s complexities, but itā€™s not clear to me how I can rely on a computer as a Husbando to do all my chores and work for me without losing something in the process (and thatā€™s if it actually worked, which it doesnā€™t).

      Iā€™ve felt some vague similar thoughts towards non-AI computing. Life was different before the internet and computers and computers making management decisions was ubiquitous, and life was better in a lot of ways. On the whole itā€™s hard for me to say if computers were a net benefit or not, but itā€™s a shame we couldnā€™t as a society take all the good and ignore all the bad (I know this is a bit idealistic of me).

      Similarly whatever results from chatbots may change society, and unfortunately all the people in charge are doing their darndest to make it change society for the worse instead of the better.

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        tangible and lasting benefits for billions of people.

        call me when I can actually tange them

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        perhapsā€¦ one of the most

        Load bearing words!

        lifeā€™s complexities

        I donā€™t think thereā€™s an interpretation of this phrase in which AI actually helps.

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        re: how can a chatbot help with life?

        This just their brains on science fiction, they think chatbot can help like the independent AI agents could in the science fiction they half remember. Or at least they think marketing it like that will appeal to people.

        A lot less, ā€˜Copilot make this list of bullet points into an emailā€™ and more ā€˜Copilot, lock on to the intruder, close the bulkheads after them and flush it to the nearest trash compactorā€™.

        I think that ā€˜giving microsoft the power to do things in my behalfā€™ is quite an iffy decision to make, but that is just me. Ow look it autorenewed your licenses for you, and bought a subscription Copaint, it even got you a deal not 240 dollars per year, but 120, a steal!

        E: I saw this image and because cursed eyeballs is the gift that keeps on giving, I will link it to yall as well, nsfw warning. This is the AI future microsoft wants

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          I think itā€™s also a case of thinking about form before function. Itā€™s not quite as bad a case as the metaverse nonsense was, but thereā€™s still a lack of curiosity about the sci-fi they read. In most stories that treat AI as anything less than a god, the replacement of people with artificial tools is about either what gets lost (the I, Robot movie, Wall-E) or the fact that effectively replacing people requires creating something with the same moral worth (Blade Runner, I, Robot, the Aasimov collection, etc).

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          I am neutral on MSFT - to me itā€™s a bog standard transnational company with better than most working conditions because itā€™s not making stuff you can make in sweatshops. But itā€™s really impressive how theyā€™ve gone from the beige-box tyranny of Appleā€™s 1984 ad, via the ā€œHalloween Papersā€ era where they were every Linux weenieā€™s biggest boogeyman, to todayā€™s bland backer of OpenAI. Note that theyā€™re not really advertising it. How many people who are horrified by Copilotā€™s Recall feature also know theyā€™re the biggest investor in the company that makes ChatGPT?

          From a corporate governance perspective, being so central to the tech industry for so long is kinda impressive.

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            this is why i keep hammering on how, functionally, OpenAI is a branch of MS and theyā€™re only separate so OpenAIā€™s reputation doesnā€™t stain MS.

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            Despite the industryā€™s deeply ingrained neophilia, I think it speaks to the importance of backwards compatibility and legacy systems.

            I canā€™t help but think that the genAI craze will end up being a regrettable side-quest along the path to ā€œcoding for non-programmersā€ akin to Visual Basic. But hey, I bet thereā€™s a lot more legacy VB apps being kept alive out there than anyone would be comfortable with.

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              Despite having been one of those Linux weenies back in the day I have a lot of respect for the amount of work MS puts into backwards compatibility, dev tool upkeep, etc. And now theyā€™re actually Open Source! Hell hath frozen over (or they realized no universities wanted to pay Visual Studio licenses and lost a couple of generations of coders to Linux)

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                And now theyā€™re actually Open Source!

                Eh, kind of but also not. VS Code is proprietary, but you have the vscode:vscodium::chrome:chromium thing. Unlike in Chromiumā€™s case, the proprietary version actually comes with some amenities one might actually care about (mainly in the plugin repository).

                You could say Open Source got some big wins in 2010s, leading to MSFT doing their fair share of contributions to Free software and openwashing as much of the rest as they can manage, but letā€™s not kid ourselves. They wouldnā€™t need to openwash if most of their stuff werenā€™t still proprietary. Last I checked MSVC, SQL Server, Azure, Copilot, IIS, Power BI, and the DirectX SDKs were all totally closed and jealously guarded.

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                And now theyā€™re actually Open Source

                sorta, but itā€™s a veneer in furtherance of other goals (telemetry, market dominance, and control)

                one of the things I do with my computers is run LittleSnitch in always-prompt mode (LS is an app-level firewalling solution on macos), and hooo boy do I hate it when I end up having to open/touch vscode for some reason. the last time I did, I spent most of the first 5 minutes being prompted for (undeclared!) connections vscode attempted to make in the name of telemetry. similar experience with vscodium interacting with packages, and a bunch of their toolchains

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    Small FYI, not a sneer or anything, you can stop reading if you donā€™t know what the godotengine is. But if you do and hear of the fork, you can just ignore the fork. (the people involved also seem to be rather iffy, one guy who went crazy after somebody mentioned they would like gay relationships in his game, and some maga conspiracy theory style coder. That is going by the 3 normal people the account follows (out of 5) who I assume are behind it).

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        I have no idea what set the drama off btw, I have not really looked into it (could it be that this mod you are talking about was the unofficial mod the godot communication was talking about? Or is that a different mod? And did the redot (wait, re.? please tell me it isnā€™t a reference to the reeeee thing) people really pick the side of the n-word mod?)

        I did see that the guy who started redot basically only forked it and then went ā€˜any devs wanna take over this fork?ā€™ Very I started the wiki, without even starting a wiki.

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            The bikeshed should be RED!

            Lol Edit (emp mine): ā€œWe need to remove the Godot branding from everything to differentiate this from Godot. For starters we can change the default IDE theme. I think a dark theme with red accents would make sense. Godot is associated with cooler colors, so warmer colors seem good.ā€

            Of course black with red. The engine for edgy 17 year olds. (I wanted to make a joke about Razer gaming peripherals here, but looks like they switched mostly to rainbows and greens, damn wokes!)

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              Apologies for crappy nitpicking on my part, but 4chan millennials really gotta learn to let go of impact font.

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              I think a dark theme with red accents would make sense.

              Oh HELL no thatā€™s the same editor theme Iā€™m using. How do I cast a spell to banish these people

              It was some Adobe-style theme I downloaded a long time ago but I guess Iā€™m using the anti-woke theme now

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            I want to pull quotes from that thread but itā€™s so satisfying in context to see the most toxic parts of a gaming community turn on each other

            and dear god are those some ugly fucking logos. my favorite is the one thatā€™s just Redot Engine with a ridiculously overbearing letter R (not gonna repost them here for obvious trademark reasons ā€” Iā€™ve got the feeling these fellas might not have that part figured out)

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          apparently godot posted something about supporting LGBT in games? canā€™t find the original. then Grummz posted ragebait about it and the chuds flooded their github and discord with fuckwittery

          this is from like 5 min following links after reading your post

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            Looked at Grummz twitter, and looks like Notch is also getting involved. With friends like that.

            Amazing how this new crop of outrage merchants who touched some game code in the past make Derek Smart look measured and well balanced.

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            wait, the ā€œpre-builtā€ engine these little shits are trying to bully a developer for using is fucking Unreal Engine 5?

            all wokes want is to use a notoriously advanced and difficult game engine owned by a right-wing asshole and thatā€™s how theyā€™re gonna destroy gaming. with the engine that gigantic studios use because writing an engine from scratch is a fucking money pit that never ends and you have to have a good fucking reason to do it

            also Iā€™ve been trying to force my hands to not start a Bevy project ever since Tiny Glade (a beautiful, cozy 3D sandbox builder running on the Bevy engine) launched and Bevy is manual as hell (but fun to work with), so this is a good reminder that Godot is cool and I should finally learn it too

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              A common pattern of the angry anti-ā€˜wokeā€™ gamers is that they donā€™t know how games are made on any level, and they are kept, I think intentionally, in the dark by the people who are stirring the anti-ā€˜wokeā€™ craziness who should know better. And it is about every level, npc ai, engines, financial, external organization structures, community management, how prerelease footage is work in progress, etc etc. It is almost impressive how blind people are towards how their hobby creation works.

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              also, holy fuck the reply guys are a plague on that post. is bluesky normally like that, or is it the blast radius from the gamers deciding they have a problem?

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                dunno if i have an unusual amount of blocked posters, but the ones i can see are fine? bsky is largely le home of le wokisme

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                  thatā€™s probably it ā€” logged out mastodon is probably just as bad. also the most aggressive reply guyā€™s take is ā€œaccounts for public projects should never block anyone and they should be required to debate the people yelling at themā€ which is, holy fuck, the most blockable thing Iā€™ve ever seen

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              Godot is really fun to use and to develop in. They basically gamified documentation writing: they show you tooltips for your custom elements just like the classes provided by the engine with their excellent documentation. The engine has hot code reloading too. I have a puzzle game project that Iā€™m working on now.

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                that sounds awesome! godot in general seems to be a very practical game engine, and at this point I definitely want to do my next little experimental game project in Godot (with Rust, if the tooling for that is at all ready for production) so I have experience with at least one normal object-oriented game engine that isnā€™t an old unreal engine or idtech under my belt

                like I mentioned, I really like how Bevy works, but in its current state it isnā€™t really ready for rapid development. a bare Bevy project is literally just the ECS and system scheduler but with no runloop. the defaults get you a lot of basics like a runloop, good renderer, input handling, audio, and such, but from there you still have to decide how everything works in terms of game logic ā€” even with third-party plugins for stuff like physics for example, you still have to write logic for what a collision means to each entity involved. I also donā€™t think bevy has a unified editor or live code reloading at all yet? so for each game you have to write an editor (which the engine helps with a little bit) and potentially a live reload implementation (which sounds like hell)

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              owned by a right-wing asshole

              Wait, what? Can I get some info or even just the right search terms to force Google to give me useful info? I know heā€™s done the eye-roll-worthy ā€œno politics in my artformā€ bullshit but if thereā€™s more Iā€™ve missed, Iā€™m keen to know.

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                most of itā€™s on Twitter and therefore inaccessible to me, but Sweeney has a habit of falling all over himself to defend musk in nonsensical ways, and musk continuously returns the favor. the two of them boosting each other politically is something that keeps happening ā€” a search for tim sweeney musk or similar should surface more recent examples without flooding you with ā€œno politics in artā€ results (though thatā€™s a dogwhistle too, soā€¦)

                Sweeney has a wider track record of saying slimy fash shit on Twitter ā€” itā€™s why heā€™s a meme on mastodon ā€” but like I said, none of thatā€™s accessible to me anymore. it fucking sucks that both of the programmers I idolized as a naive kid turned out to be huge fucking assholes though

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                  Carmack has always struck me as the kind of cishet white GenX dude that gets more and more pissed that everythingā€™s ā€œpoliticalā€, I just wanna code, man, why is everyone mad at me that he more or less inevitably falls into fascism. Sure games can be coded as ā€œcounterculturalā€ but the genres that Doom and Quake represent are quasi-fascist already.

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                  Ugh. Thanks, yeah thatā€™s good enough for me without even opening xcancel. My search for ā€œTim Sweeney conservativeā€ only dredged up his land conservation purchases and the ā€œstop being so divisiveā€ / ā€œno politics in artā€ dogwhistles which had previously made me suspicious, but I had mostly forgotten about. I quit Twitter many years ago so I missed that whole knobslobbering saga and didnā€™t think to include Musk after skimming todayā€™s shitty Google ā€œsearchā€ results.

                  Ah fuck, and Carmack too? Goddamn it. Twist the knife a little harder.

                  Fucking tech bros, always ruining tech.

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            Holy shit that is amazing. The thinnest skins. All of this over the promise by God not to flood the world again.

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        Of course it could get worse.

        Lol at them just removing the godot donation links/list of donors and just replacing it with their own. What a grift.

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      from the godot discord:

      godotclayjohn ā€¢ 20h ago ā€¢

      fund.godotengine.org!

      Obviously I canā€™t share access to the backend, but the numbers on the side are kept up to date. Last week we went down by about ā‚¬5,000 when a corporate sponsorship expired.

      Since Friday morning we lost ā‚¬170/month in sponsorships but gained ā‚¬1,610/month in new sponsorships. In terms of numbers of people: 10 people have cancelled their donations so far and 74 new people have signed up.

      go woke, go 1400 EUR ahead and lose a pile of shitheads you never wanted

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        the chuds have done their usual thing of throwing themselves on the ground and acting extremely injured by being blocked for violating the CoC of an open source project (via Liam at GamingOnLinux):

        whatā€™s fucked is this is the exact same playbook as NixOS and Python, though this time Godot doesnā€™t seem to be taking any shit and that seems to be preventing those tactics from working. weird how easy it is to weather shit like this when you have a fucking spine and arenā€™t trying to retain fascist assholes

        image description

        Twitter posts by RĆ©mi Verschelde (@Akien): I see misunderstanding around Godot blocking some users on its GitHub organization.

        • Weā€™ve blocked 5 accounts so far
        • All opening issues with slurs, harassing contributors (breaching Godotā€™s CoC and GHā€™s ToS)
        • Blocking users does NOT prevent download of the engine or source

        ā€”

        Blocking users doesnā€™t even prevent them from reading issues and PRs, just interacting with them. You can read and download anything from a GitHub repository as an anonymous (not logged in) user. *git clone https://github.com/godotengine/godotā€¦ works for anyone with an Internet connection.

        ā€”

        Just adding as some asked - if you want to quote this to people who still believe weā€™re mass blocking people on GitHub and cutting them off their tech stack, feel free to grab a screenshot. I locked my account while the heat dies down, so you canā€™t easily link those tweets.

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        ahahaha thatā€™s amazing

        it also pushed me to start learning Godot since its community seems awesome, and thatā€™s definitely showing through on the docs so far ā€” they go into so much depth on why Godotā€™s designed like it is, and what specifically itā€™s good for

        Iā€™ve only just started, but itā€™s reminding me very positively of what Unreal Engine was for a brief period of time: a runtime for a powerful domain-specific scripting language that could be extended by native code when needed, targeting indie devs

        unfortunately Tim Sweeney kind of sucks at designing languages (though he used to do it a lot) so UnrealScript was a real fucking mess, and UE never really captured the indie market (cause you had to pay a fuckload for the privilege of writing native code) so UnrealScript got excised and the engine became ā€œfreeā€ (as in free timeshare) and entirely refocused on developers pumping out AAA garbage and other whales (and, more charitably, anyone who needs an engine that can do state of the art graphics)

        Godot, so far, to me feels kind of like an Unreal Engine that didnā€™t fuck up with the indie market and also isnā€™t closed source greedware

        also apparently thereā€™s a new Unreal scripting language? itā€™s got the Haskell guy behind it and itā€™s functional which is cool, but itā€™s also already bathed in horseshit:

        Verse is the new scripting language for Unreal Engine, first implemented in Fortnite.[11] Simon Peyton Jones, known for his contributions to the Haskell programming language, joined Epic Games in December 2021 as Engineering Fellow to work on Verse with his long-time colleague Lennart Augustsson and others.[12] Conceived by Sweeney,[13] it was officially presented at Haskell eXchange in December 2022 as an open source functional-logic language for the metaverse.[14] A research paper, titled The Verse Calculus: a Core Calculus for Functional Logic Programming, was also published.[15]

        The language was eventually launched in March 2023 as part of the release of the Unreal Editor for Fortnite (UEFN) at the Game Developers Conference, with plans to be available to all Unreal Engine users by 2025.[11]

        so I guess Fortnite modders can weigh in on how good Haskell for Gaming is

        e: also, imagine if any of these pro gamers knew Godot is the Cassette Beasts and Cruelty Squad engine