• hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    “Everybody wants to talk about X, nobody wants to talk about Y”.
    That’s not gaslighting, that’s whataboutism.

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      3 hours ago

      I think it’s more along the lines of cats gaslighting humans to care for them…that’s where I grew the comparison.

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        That isn’t what gaslighting is, though. Gaslighting isn’t simply emotional manipulation; it’s a specific kind.

        • Raab@lemmy.world
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          You mean like manipulating humans into believing they are helpless animals that need to be brought in, and taken care of?

          The specific kind of psychological manipulation in this case used by cats over millennia, by definition of the word, is gaslighting lol

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            Thankfully it’s the year 2024 so if you literally spent 5 seconds doing a search you would find a real definition

            Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that hinges on creating self-doubt. “I think of gaslighting as trying to associate someone with the label ‘crazy,’” says Paige Sweet, Ph.D., an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who studies gaslighting in relationships and in the workplace. “It’s making someone seem or feel unstable, irrational and not credible, making them feel like what they’re seeing or experiencing isn’t real, that they’re making it up, that no one else will believe them.”

            Cats cannot do this.

            I don’t want to be the person that brings a real definition into a fun thread, but your complete lack of logical, sane thought on the subject drove me to it. This is your fault.

            • Raab@lemmy.world
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              Did you even read your quote? A subjective stance from an assistant professor of sociology who studies gaslighting IN RELATIONSHIPS AND THE WORKPLACE. That’s a severe lack of a “real definition” my guy. Go watch the 1944 film Gaslight from which the term was coined.

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                Webster

                psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one’s emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator

                Can you spot the difference? I cannot. And cats still can’t do this.

                Also, it was coined in a play before that.

                Again, it’s 2024, this is easy shit.

                • Raab@lemmy.world
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                  1 hour ago

                  Manipulation of the perception of reality is where my argument comes from. Your rude ass tone and pretentiousness are unwelcome. Have a good one boss.

                  • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
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                    1 hour ago

                    Sorry you were wrong and it hurt your feelings, but you’re clearly the rude one in this thread. Not sure what the color of their ass has to do with any of this though…

              • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
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                1 hour ago

                Yeah, because words used in modern context are always best defined by their most archaic usage 🙄🙄🙄

                • Raab@lemmy.world
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                  1 hour ago

                  To that point, words used in modern context are also up for interpretation and free thought. :)

                  • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
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                    60 minutes ago

                    All words are up for interpretation, that’s what language is. You just haven’t made a real argument for how you’re deciding to interpret “gaslighting.”