Employees at multiple federal agencies were ordered to remove pronouns from their email signatures by Friday afternoon, according to internal memos obtained by ABC News.

Signature /= footer

Resist

  • Padit@feddit.orgEnglish
    14·
    10 hours ago

    I always thought “uh, this thing with the pronouns in email signatures is just woke Nonsens, everyone knows what gender I am and want to be seen as” (and i still don’t really get neo-pronouns, to be frank), but I now work in a very international environment, and I am so glad if people give me their pronouns, because I can’t always tell which gender an Indian or Chinese name is. Honestly, it’s just smart to add them and they just save everyone a lot of time/confusion.

    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      4 hours ago

      I thought the same thing as well.

      I have a few trans friends and neighbors who told me that basically when they came out and tried to change gender, no one would acknowledge their new identity. So it’s a subtle way to inform other people.

      Also, I have met more than a few people whom I had no idea of their gender. So it’s actually great to read that pronoun because I don’t like playing guessing games.

  • MiDaBa@lemmy.mlEnglish
    211·
    1 day ago

    MAGA voters couldn’t identify a pronoun in high school. How are they supposed to figure it out now?

  • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.worldEnglish
    461·
    1 day ago

    Doesn’t go far enough, remove pronouns from the email body too.

    To it may concern. Notice did not complete task before deadline. Please can provide update? Look forward to reply.

  • MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    762·
    2 days ago

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why they care about someone’s sexual orientation or their pronoun.

    I ran the numbers on sex changes and it’s like .001 of the population. It’s a non-issue.

    The real issues are homelessness, inequality, Internet privacy, poisons in our food and workers’ rights…

    Not fucking pronouns.

    • Tja@programming.devEnglish
      21·
      10 hours ago

      Well, eggs are back to $1 a dozen and everyone has housing and excellent healtcare coverage, so you can focus on renaming gulfs and prosecuting minorities…

    • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      1 day ago

      Two core reasons:

      1. Demonization. They need someone to demonize, that distracts voters and the general populace away from their own misdeeds, and lack of functional policy. If you’re too busy getting angry at the trans people, you won’t strike against the Billionaires.
      2. Insecurity. If the world isn’t actually as simple as you thought, your entire ideology is based on putting people into given labels and boxes to make your life easier, idealizing a nonexistent past, etc, then the world changing in any non-standard way is seen as something to be extremely afraid of. This is also what drives their concerns over immigrants (“replacing” their community’s racial dynamic), homeless people (“not wanting to work” like they did), climate change (this couldn’t possibly happen because then the industries and consumption you had your whole life would have to change), progressive education and scientific growth (learning new things about how what we used to think was wrong), etc. It’s all rooted in just wanting things to stay the same.
    • Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      322·
      2 days ago

      They don’t care. The tactic is to have a minority that you can blame for all the bad things.

      100 years ago it was the jews secretly running the world, today it’s the evil trans people and immigrants conspiring to destroy The West™.

    • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
      442·
      2 days ago

      For the life of me, I can’t understand why they care about someone’s sexual orientation or their pronoun.

      They don’t. It’s classic divide and conquer tactics to package up the general population into nice bite-sized chunks that they can destroy individually with minimal resistance from the others. Exact same shit is how the Nazis rose to power.

    • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      They need an ‘enemy’ to rally people against and all the usual suspects are no longer politically expedient

    • Fluid@aussie.zoneEnglish
      10·
      2 days ago

      Got to distract from the real issues somehow. Gotta keep that wealth extraction and concentrating system of exploitation alive. Can’t have the slave rising up to overthrow their masters again…

  • Hirom@beehaw.orgEnglish
    272·
    2 days ago

    Small government regulating pronouns in worker’s email signatures.

    Regulations For Thee but Not for Me

  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1273·
    2 days ago

    This is so stupid. I know plenty of cishet people who include their pronouns in their sig because they have a gender neutral name.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        49·
        2 days ago

        Of course it’s daft to mandate what people can and can’t put in their email footers but I don’t get why people put pronouns in footers.

        I’m cis male and he/him. Others can call refer to me as it/them or she/her if they wish.

        I dislike bananas but I don’t put that in my email footer.

        I haven’t seen it in a while anyway. I thought it was a fad from the late 10s

          • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            8 hours ago

            I think that’s kind of reductive honestly.

            Like most people I try not to be an ass, and generally try to get through the day without offending anyone.

            If I know someone well enough to care about their gender obviously I’d do my best not to misgender them.

            OTOH if I’m emailing customer support to ask where my order is I just couldn’t care less what the person’s gender is.

        • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          Its awesome that you use any/any pronouns but some people have massive feelings of gender dysphoria from being misgendered. I understand it can be difficult to relate to an experience you’ve never had, but it is a real experience and shouldn’t be minimised.

            • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              1·
              22 hours ago

              Is your dislike of bananas an important part of your identity, both personally and how you are treated by society at large? Does making it known that you dislike bananas either verbally or through your appearance lead to a realistic possibility of facing abuse and opression, not limited to potential loss of livelihood or life?

              If not, perhaps, you can see how the two things aren’t very comparable.

              • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                1·
                21 hours ago

                No, but how people refer to me in the third person is also not an important part of my identity.

                Someone’s choice of the pronoun to assign to me says more about them and the nature of our relationship than it says about my identity.

  • w3dd1e@lemm.eeEnglish
    366·
    2 days ago

    Sorry to all the Blakes, Dylans, Ashleys, Francises, Shannons, Frankies, Charlies, Rorys, Blairs, Leslies, Angels, Billies, Sams, Kellys, Danas, Harleys, Adins, Caseys, and all the other non-binary/gender neutral names that I can’t think of right now.

    -signed a person with a non-binary name

      • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        162·
        2 days ago

        Even for gender cishet people a Dylan, Casey or Sam might be a “he/him” or “she/her” and its just not obvious from the name.

          • ebolapie@lemmy.worldEnglish
            71·
            1 day ago

            Don’t you think it’s more of a waste of time to throw a bitch fit about it?

          • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.worldEnglish
            143·
            1 day ago

            So?

            Does that mean all have to waste time with pronouns?

            Can think of only one time thought a female was a male from name. Was not a problem. The name was Noel

            Seems like the name argument is no argument at all

            Sounds good ma’am. Have a great one

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            51·
            1 day ago

            we, our, and I are all pronouns. Yes, we pretty much need to use pronouns.

  • Lodespawn@aussie.zoneEnglish
    203·
    2 days ago

    Does that mean no-one can call him ‘President’ Trump or ‘Mr’ President any more?

    • threshold_dweller@lemmy.todayEnglish
      23·
      1 day ago

      I, too, dislike being employed.

      But seriously most people will not risk their livelihood for it. It is almost guaranteed to end up in court like so many other of Trump’s bullshit policies.

          • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            16·
            1 day ago

            …Trump offered all federal employees 7 months salary to quit. He signed two executive orders today to unilaterally dissolve some federal agencies.

            You logically cannot believe hes not in his night of long knives period. Someone with the care to put pronouns in their work communication isn’t loyal to Trump, and thus logically wouldn’t survive the firing and agency shutdowns Trump is currently actively doing.

            I get you disliked China and Chinese people but are you really letting that poison your logic to the point you’re ignoring reality. Is your insistence that Chinese people are wrong in all things worth not paying attention to the half dozen executive orders a day which is actively getting the US government?

            • threshold_dweller@lemmy.todayEnglish
              31·
              1 day ago

              So no. Just more lies and distortions. Trump is plenty bad without making up lies.

              My antipathy is towards those who, like you, consistently advocate for the authoritarian CCP, whilst also trying to incite people against their own governments.