Hang them all
I’m looking forward to anyone using the word ‘signal’ around trump being suspected of mocking him.
Sensitive egotistical maniacs are so much fun to placate.
The Guy’s name is putin.
Krasnov’s Daddy
These fucking fools, these incompetent baboons. Gods damn the whole lot of 'em.
Goons. Absolute apes
You are assuming it wasn’t puposeful. And clearly it’s been going on a while. They only got caught due to their incompetence
Sounds like a bunch of traitors.
Are you just figuring that out now? Attacking all its allies is what did it for me.
The US is a captured state now, and there are only a few ways out; voting is not one of them.
Welcome to the party pal, most of us knew it was traitor town when “Russia if your listening” was said on national TV.
Literally zero chance they weren’t monitoring his phone while he was in the country.
Why monitor what he went there to inform them about?
*receive orders about
You jump to the assumption they weren’t on an innocent beach holiday in Russia? You’re paranoid.
I wouldn’t worry so much about monitoring the phone, signal does a good job.
I’d be more worried that they weren’t just given the convo or managed to lift the multi-device QR willingly or subserviently.
Love the way THE BBC is trying to make signal sound like some hackers playset, really shows how much the UK gov hate encryption or people having any privacy at all.
The UK is an utter shithole when it comes to privacy, always has been. It doesn’t look to be getting better any time soon either.
It also goes to show that Signal may actually be worth its salt in regards to security.
You use Signal to avoid government surveillance.
I use Signal to avoid government accountability.
We are not the same.
Doesn’t matter if the phone is rooted.
Rooted phones with signal are more secure or less secure?
Less. If someone has root privs on your phone they can screenshot without your notice and send those shots wherever they want, encryption or self-deleting messaging apps be damned.
Important reminder. Why is this downvoted?
Well I use it and have put it on relatives phones so they can communicate with me easily, ideally though I’d use Threema but yeah signals a lot better than other free alternatives.
Are they?
No.
Graham Fraser: Technology reporter.
Signal, compared with other messaging apps, has added security features to protect the privacy of its users. Conversations on the app are end-to-end encrypted, which means they can only be read by the recipients. Signal can’t even read what has been sent. But security is only as good as the person using it.
Damage control look up their original articles on trump.
Isn’t hard to look up the BBC site, their pretty much making signal sound like an insecure hacking tool only used by dissidents.
Why would dissidents want to use something insecure? 🤔
They should have left their personal phone at home, and brought a burner. Without the fun apps on it.
Trump is a Russian asset and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.
You have been banned from Lemmy.ml
Lol I wear my ban with pride. All you have to do is go over there and use the word ‘tankie’. They really don’t like that word for some reason.
next step is get banned from progressive politics
a ml proxy hidden in plain sight
Then this is for you!
I need to acquire mine at some point
I’ll treasure it!
Got banned there by a dude with anarcho in his name. Cherry on top
Turns our he’s just really into spiders and is also dyslexic.
And yet the worst of them link to tankie.tube videos. Fuggin… I dunno.
As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don’t get why people don’t like lemmy.ml
Can someone ELI5?
Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don’t carry the honor of being “the flagship” instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it
.ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.
As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.
Checkout !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works (for those on a .ml account you’ll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ) for documented instances of their behavior
One example of this is when I called out some Hexbear users for their bullshit propaganda and then when they started brigading against me and making literal death threats, the .ml mod swooped in, deleted my comments, and gave me a temporary ban. The hexbear users comments remained visible including the death threats.
Rule 1, 2
Bingo
How do they get off being the ‘Flagship’ instance then? Should that concern us or is it meh?
I don’t think it can, it’s a flagship because it’s the first instance, being run by the main devs as a demonstration of Lemmy’s capabilities so it’s always on the latest beta version at least.
But, they could just stop using it as a tool to further their own political stances and have it actually be a “generalist” instance. For that though, they’d have to give up being the admins of it, which they’ll probably never do.
It is of concern yes, but maybe if the wider Lemmy-verse defeded from them, like they did Hex and Grad, it would at least be easier to say that their views are not shared by any of us to any newcomers/outsiders by being able to point to a clear and visible action like defederation.
Damn - as I love Lemmy and believe in the mission it’s hard to square that with tankie devs
it would at least be easier to say that their views are not shared by any of us to any newcomers/outsiders
Do we need users who cannot mentally separate that?
I find you in every thread shitting on ml at the vaguest mention of Russia or China though. Before anyone ever brought up anything related to them. It’s almost like you have an agenda. Or vendetta.
Please show me on this doll where the dirty commies hurt you:
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Hmm yes, how dare I pushback against authoritarian misinformation, propaganda, censorship and toxicity. I do what I can within my power to prevent (or rather having it get worse I should say)the Lemmy-verse from garnering a rep outside for being “That Tankie Place” or worse, Voat 2.0
I’ve already seen it on Reddit and testimonials here (from those that actually tried to give it another shot, who knows how many won’t ever come back) “I tried that Lemmy place, but it was just a bunch of tankies” is not a pleasant comment to read outside the Lemmy-verse
What I’ve documented on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is but a mere fraction of the crap they pull and focused on just .ml
Btw, tankies are authoritarian “communists”
Right. And I’m on board with that and that’s not what I am saying. If I mention “Russia bad” in a thread, without any ml presence in the whole post, I don’t expect someone to derail my thread with their anti-ml agenda. Why not keep it there where it’s relevant: an actual ml poster excusing Russia’s behaviour?
Or, as you do, in your welcome messages to new users.
It’s full of “communists” that blindly excuse every damn thing that states like China and Russia do just because they dress themselves in red, or used to, and oppose everything western in an attempt to be “anti-imperialist”, ignoring what Russia is doing to Ukraine at this very moment. Hypocrites and dogmatic ideologues who can’t see nuance in anything.
"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called “the People’s Stick”. - Mikhail Bakunin
They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.
You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You’d get banned.
Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You’d get banned.
You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You’d get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)
You’d get banned.
I honestly just wonder if they are economically illiterate morons, to be honest ☺️
They try to play themselves off as communists but I can’t say I’ve ever seen a single one of them make a legitimate comment about communist ideals. What they really are is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Chinese and Russian governments.
No I’m pretty sure they would support Daddy putin controlling amerikkka
Sounds like a win for platypus.
This was all known before, americans still voted for him. This is what they want…
Krasnov, destroying America from within since 1987, the best accidental investment Putin ever made. Great success, comrades! 👍
As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.
Looks like Russia won the ideological war and will be exporting authoritarianism to the globe.
They been exporting since the 80’with trump
The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.
It’s too soon to say conclusively that they all aren’t though, additional testing is required.
Note to self: before becoming dictator, develop natural immunity to small arms fire. Begin with BB gun?
You’ll shoot your eye out.
Only once, before the immunity kicks in
It might happen twice, but that’s the max, I’m pretty sure.
Well at least the reality denial is checked.
I know my system works, otherwise I wouldn’t be immune to your criticism
surprisingly enough, they are in fact physically just like us: just meat
Surprisingly enough, it doesn’t really stop them from trying, it only stops individual occurrences. And if the piece of metal only grazes, it often invigorates and galvanizes them
An additional note: for all the people who advocate this approach, very few have actually gone through with it. Perhaps it’d be more successful if all the people who advocate for it actually did it instead of trying to get other people to do it for them.
Are windows in too?
But they are known to dodge pretty well and only get nicked in the ear 😕
This isn’t a nationalist idea … the oligarchs have won and are exporting authoritarianism to the globe. Most or the majority of people everywhere just want to have a peaceful life whether they are in the US, Russian, China or anywhere on the globe … it’s oligarchs and wealthy morons that think they can manipulate everyone, everywhere all the time and allow them to become rulers of the universe.
i’ll have you know that social contract that formed in russia after 90s looks just like that: citizens fuck off from politics in return for some prosperity. every time when russian state expected that that won’t last due to things like 2008 crisis or covid or what have you, they started a war as a distraction and to rally around the flag some nationalists. now they’re on 4th attempt, this one was due to post-covid recession. difference is, this time they were high on their own supply of propaganda and planned accordingly. they also can’t back down because they see it as a weakness, and that would mean a coup
Are they wrong?
That is being tested right now.
It’s not looking good, bruh.
fuck
Nahhhh according to the tankies of .ml, Russia is just trying to export humanity-saving peace, love and socialism but has just been continuously beaten down by the big bad US :(
Independently verifiable detail number 28543 showing that Trump and everyone he has appointed are unfit for office, and that no one who voted for him will ever care about, and from which no consequences will ever flow.
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters. – Mr. Donald J. Trump
Could everyone please stop repeating “nothing will ever come of this” every time fucked up shit happens?
Until someone actually faces consequences, it’s just people spitting truth sadly.
Man I don’t have enough time in the day to be doing that.
I save my cynical outbursts for when he gets caught. And I have reasons, though you may not agree with them.
I think it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that our government is incapable of dispensing consequences to this man, regardless of what he does, regardless of where his loyalties clearly lie, regardless of how he continually works at the destruction of the United States of America. So we’re not surprised at where things are four years from Jan 21 like we were four years from Jan 06.
While we are all tempted by the complacent comfort of “someone in government will handle it” now that he’s actually at the peak of his power, it seems key that we all remember “no one in government handled it” for four years when he was out of power and arguably at his weakest.
It looks like you’re using an ad blocker.
Well, can’t read that website.
Plasters some big dead thing from a website called “getadmiral.com” over the page that I can’t remove.
I’m not sure if this helps, but I use uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger in Firefox and can read it.
That encryption is not impenetrable, however, and the Google Threat Intelligence Group warned just last month of “increasing efforts from several Russia state-aligned threat actors to compromise Signal Messenger accounts used by individuals of interest to Russia’s intelligence services.”
This is somewhat disingenuous. Signal can’t be directly cracked. Only access to the phone directly or via mirroring can expose it. The article somewhat explains this.
I am in no way whatsoever excusing the actions of these douche-chalupas. I prefer accuracy in my reporting, though. That said, Witkoff in Russia may as well have been a direct line to Putin.
The most uncrackable encryption can be defeated by Steven Witkoff sitting on Putin’s lap while reading the messages.
Bingo, comrade.
I think it’s disingenuous to try to suggest that communists have anything to do with it. It’s purely an oligarchical shithole.
Putin was KGB. The fact that the sleeper argent Krasnov awoke 38 years after his recruitment is testament to the Soviet program’s effectiveness.
This seems a bit too nitpicky tbh.
The author is correct, Signal is not “perfect”, because the weakest link is always the endpoint device and the end user. Which is kind of the whole point of this article; The issue is not that Signal was used, as it’s reasonably secure, it’s that the people using it are not secure at all.Oh, I’m definitely picking nits. I agree and said as much in my last comment. But the way the article presented it made it feel like there is a clear and present danger from Chinese and Russian threat actors against the protocol.
Right, those shouldn’t be conflated (the protocols vs the phone/persons security properties).I think anyone actively targeted by a major govt power is probably fucked though. Pegasus has taught us that, so while signal is probably a pretty secure protocol, phones definitely have a lot of vulnerabilities.
Indeed. So are digital hygiene practices.
OK, my time to pick nits: There is a clear and present threat. China, Russia and certainly the US as well have teams of cryptographers looking at software such as Signal and analysing every update and change made in order to spot potential openings. The threat towards Signal however is comparatively small because there are tens if not hundreds of times as many people checking the code as well and reporting back to Signal because of its Open-source nature.
That’s exactly my point. I work in security, specifically versus threat actors. I don’t typically deal with State actors, but on occasion I do. Those are the real problem.
You’re writing the concerns, suggestions, and warnings I would give.
As far as I’m aware the encryption can’t really be broken given the current amount of compute. Is anyone aware of what potential vulnerabilities there could be to the Signal protocol outside of brute forcing? How hard is it to crack a private public key exchange?
people using it are not secure at all.
And this is very much not limited just to signal. No matter what software, protocol or any other way you use to communicate, both you and the receiving entity/entities are the weakest link by a long shot. I don’t expect even my closest friends to hold our everyday conversations secret if for whatever reason their wellbeing was threated in any way. And even if I did there’s always other options, like targeted social engineering, to get trough pretty much any reasonable safety concerns on digital communication.
Of course in everyday life if our chat histories were publicly available it would not be too big of an issue, but it’s still something worth keeping on mind when interacting over any digital or any other written medium.
Given the rest of their behavior I’m seeing that chat member leaning across the lunch table towards Putin’s secretary, holding out his phone: “hey look, we’re just about to bomb Yemen!”
may as well have been a direct line to Putin.
Was Mr Putin over his shoulder at the crucial moment, or just a state-run high-def camera?
почему не оба?
But it isn’t that hard to create a signal account with the name of someone high in the US ranks and send a request to these people. They are too dumb to actually validate the key of the person.
Encryption can’t handle when the encrypt with a foe’s key and send that for the message.
Jesus fucking Russian assets…
The entire Government of Putin is a huge cluster fuck. Send them all to fucking Moscow, one-way.
