My experience on lemmy is vastly improved after blocking lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, hexbear, beehaw, and pawb. Wiped out vast swathes of degenerates from my feed.
Sure, occasionally poking them with a stick can be funny, but if you don’t like your scrolling punctuated with muttering “oh fuck off” under your breath every few minutes – it’s nice.
I can’t remember why I blocked them exactly, to be honest, but I remember thinking they were almost as annoying as hexbear users, and I can’t be bothered to go have a second look now to see exactly why. Clearly, I was annoyed with them enough to block them, as the ones I listed above are the only instances I have blocked save for lemmynsfw (which is just because I don’t care for porn in my feed).
Beehaw’s primary identity as an instance is “to be nice to people” which you know what, that’s fine, but personally I think it’s super annoying lol. Also there are some users from that instance who were also outspoken and especially annoying but I don’t see them commenting as much these days.
Beehaw has been… difficult. If you disagree that something is *phobia or *phobic then it’s a quick way to get them mad at you.
I remember somebody ( person A) getting especially angry because another person (person B) used the pronoun “them” to refer to person A. It was pointed out that not every client shows the pronouns beside the username and still it was considered *phobic.
That sounds frustrating. I understand what their instance is all about and I want to believe they’re mostly decent people who sometimes wrongly lash out at perceived slights.
Hating on beehaw makes perfect sense, then. Fascists and an empathy-negating neurosis, generally due to early childhood trauma in that area, name a more iconic duo. All those other things (commies, progressives, furries) actually have their fascist versions but hippies? Forget it. Incompatible in principle.
There’s a lot of weird hippie cults, including Charles Manson’s. If your hippieism leans towards the aesthetic then it’s perfectly compatible with fascism. Not to mention the weird Californian ideology that isn’t straight fascism but sure is authoritarian in its anti-authoritarianism.
Fascism is by definition syncretic. It eats whatever it finds and makes more of itself, with rigid power structures and might makes right logic. Every large enough movement can have a fascist version of itself.
I know, it must be hard for kids to understand a time before they were born, but don’t worry, someday you’ll be explaining the facts of life to youngsters yourself.
NGL I thought my instance had gone off the rails while I wasn’t looking for a second there. Getting lumped in with hexbear and .ml is pretty rough. Beehaw? Good company imho.
The worst part is his comments were upvoted a lot when I commented that… there’s probably a few chaps who have the impression that everyone on the furry instances is the reincarnation of Lenin now lol
Nah that’s not how the world works buddy. Only children think in binaries.
okay, just one question: do furries/does furry porn sexualize animals, yes or no? No mental gymnastics allowed, one word answer.
You asked two questions and tell me to give you one answer. Nice try senator.
Also a majority of things require answers more complex than a simple “yes” or “no”, because the world isn’t the simple land that it seems to be in your head. However, luckily for you, these questions do have relatively simple yes-or-no answers.
To your first question: No, furries don’t by default sexualize animals. It’s weird that you even come to the conclusion that they do.
To your second question: Also no. You can argue that furry art is usually depictions of animals, and that furry porn sexualizes those depictions, but even that’s pretty shaky because anthropromorphized beings that have a vague resemblance to animals are hard to argue as being similar enough to the real thing that it’s “sexualizing (a depiction of) [animal]”. I wouldn’t call you out on saying that furry drawings are depictions of animals, even though I think that’s flawed logic, but it’s not even remotely similar to “sexualizing animals” (e.g. zoophilia)
Unluckily for you, my friend, I took a screenshot when you posted that since I had a feeling you would edit your mistake out. You may be playing chess in 4 dimensions, but I’m playing chess in 7 dimensions. Get pranked lol
Goodness, that’s an awful lot of words, champ! In fact, I think that’s more than one – and seems to have lots of mental gymnastics to boot, from what I skimmed – silly, don’t you know how to read directions? Here, let me help you out.
Now, you go and have a little reading time, I’m gonna give you a break from my inbox. Come back when you’ve learned to count to one, and try again.
Didn’t beehaw defederate from lemmy.world a year ago because they felt it had a bad influence on itself? Mb not theexact reason’ but something like that scratches my mind
I mean seeing how negative and pissy some sects of the users are on lemmy.world, I can’t really blame them. The technology and gaming community on there are so unhelpful and the comments are just variations of “enshittification” or “modern gaming/tech sucks” which…yeah we know, we’re on Lemmy.
At least Beehaw users, in my experience, actually read the articles and discuss the topics at hand. Even if there is a lower userbase to engage with, I end up learning something new or productive.
Beehaw wanted to be its own thing and didn’t trust outside users to follow their specific rules. So they defederated to be their own network, which was a really bad idea. Though it contributed a lot to SJW’s growth, so that’s something
I did say something controversial (apparently) on grad and simply asked what I said wrong and having an open mind showed that they can interact normally… But Hexbear is just straight up poisoning me lol
Beehaw and pawb are peculiar blocks but .ml can be a bit trying. Many users have been swept into, what they believe to be, militant communist zeitgeist. Their opinions exist within an echo-chamber surreptitiously safeguarded by their extremely banhappy admins. Mind that it would be acceptable if they were to openly offer their rule list, including “do not criticize communism, communists, communist countries, China, Russia, or the war in Ukraine” but they refuse to do so given how unpopular and weird that would be if it were visible to their users. If you care to verify, post a picture of tank man or suggest that Russia should leave Ukraine in one of their communities and enjoy your two week vacation from .ml.
Users range from confused and corralled to militant and chronically angry and many don’t understand why. Frankly, most .ml users are fine but their communities are breeding grounds for frustration, delusions, and misinformation. The prime example of admin sanctioned crazy goes by the name of yogthos if you, once again, wish to verify.
Wow, your reasoning is uh… well it sure is interesting… can’t say I see where you’re coming from. lemmy.world is like the most conservative instance I can think of
People like you are the reason why so many people go towards the right side.
If someone turns fascist because their skins so think they can’t handle a random from the Internet insulting them: that’s because they were human trash to begin with
Also you are literally a fucking nazi
Nice projection
Now respectfully, reconsider all your life choices and fuck off.
More projection. It’s so cute how mad you ignorant fascist fucks get when challenged by a basic insult
Watch your blood pressure, I’m sure someone as terminally online as you probably has issues with that kind of thing
Bro you are literally a no lifer that gone out of their way to downvoted all my recent comments
Click name, swipe right slightly on all comments. Took like 30s while I was on the shitter to help lower the spread of your garbage. Takes way more work for you to look into it than it does me to do it
Also i said fuck off. I mean it
And I enjoy angering pathetic fascists like you by ignoring your worthless demands
People like you are the reason why so many people go towards the right side.
If your worldview is so fragile that a couple mean comments turn you into a hateful shit bag rightoid, you were never on the left to start with, you’re just looking for some #walkaway excuse
Also you are literally a fucking nazi
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” makes you look like the child you are.
Now respectfully, reconsider all your life choices and fuck off.
Take your own advice, and also go touch some fucking grass.
Pray tell, which of the instances have you spotted that are less leftist than lemmy.world? The only ones I can imagine are lemmy.ca and midwest.social, but that’s just a guess.
Also what do you mean by “new left” movement? There are a lot of left movements, but not really any that I can think of that diverge greatly from previous left movements.
“Woke” doesn’t mean anything. It’s a vague, catch-all term used by chuds, for “lefties” and people who want social equality usually, which is obviously not a bad thing, so you must not be using it in that sense.
Oh and there are instances that just practice full free speech as long as its not illegal where they host LW bans people for speaking the truth, especially regarding Israel vs Russia and Iran(by proxy)
I have not seen a SINGLE one of those instances. And my instance federates with literally everything except for like 3 instances. I’m not saying you’re making things up, but outside of extreme fringe communities, almost every (large) Lemmy instance is as “woke” or more “woke” than lemmy.world. lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemm.ee, lemmy.ml, probably even sh.itjust.works (that one’s debatable), lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz… I can go on and on. Leftism is way more prevalent in most of those. And yes, the kind that says you shouldn’t displace millions or be sexist.
The new left is the Israel hating crowd of the left
A large chunk of the left has always been anti-Zionism and pro-self-determination, because Israel is literally modern-day colonization. This isn’t anything new. The official government of Palestine is full-on Socialist, and it was founded 80 years ago (with other major leftist groups in Palestine dating back even before the Israeli colonization). It’s just the difference between the “leftists” who are okay with an ethnostate perpetrating an ethnic cleansing (Israel), and the leftists who aren’t.
because its against imperialism or something stupid along those lines.
For a lot of people that’s part of the reason, but most of the reason is they’re against the displacement, ethnic cleansing, and genocide of Palestinians that started during the colonization of the area by modern-day Israelis. The ruling party of Israel and most of the other parties in the government are descended from organizations that literally described themselves as terrorists, and butchered the population of Palestine since the early 1900s. And, get this, the dominating organizations during this era aligned themselves with Nazism – the Lehi (a faction of the Irgun, modern day Likud – Netanyahu’s party and Israel’s dominant party) proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany as they saw Great Britain as a larger threat to Jews. They described themselves and their members, I’m not even joking, as “National Bolshevik terrorists” (nazbols/communist nazis). Go figure.
Many of the members of government actively cheered on or committed genocide, and everyone alive knows someone who participated in the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The area didn’t just go from its population of 90% Muslim and 2% Jewish in 1800, to 81% Muslim and 8% Jewish in 1890, to 32% Jewish in 1947, to 89% Jewish in 1948 (the year the Nakba/ethnic cleansing of Arabs started), using kind words and diplomacy. (Jewish Virtual Library). Europeans encouraged Jews to colonize the area (which hadn’t been populated by Jews in large numbers since the 5th century) in order to get them out of the country (the early British Zionists in particular were keen on taking all the Jews in the UK and shipping them off to Israel, as antisemitism was the norm in western Europe until the whole World War 2 thing), and gave those newfound Israelis the weapons to blow up a whole lot of natives. These migrations were simply called Aliyah, and they happened in a few waves.
It is a state that is built upon, and cannot exist without, “Jewish supremacy”. It’s in the constitution, it’s in the law, it’s in their flag, it’s in the Muslims & Arabs in the country not having the civil rights of Jews, the entirety of Israel exists specifically to be an ethnostate. And the foundation of Israel was by parties who aligned themselves with Nazi Germany, and who took great inspiration from them.
When you’re “leftist” – that is, when you’re for abolishing unjust hierarchies and moving towards social equality – the concept of Israel and its former and current actions is inherently counter to your ideology. There’s absolutely no getting around that.
Oh also they are hyper sensitive regarding the use of words they feel like it could hurt someone, and im not talking about the n-word or similarly high grade insults.
What words are these, exactly? If they’re not slurs then I don’t see what you’re talking about. Unless you’re referring to people talking about microaggressions – which is the linguistic phenomenon of biases against certain social groups being conveyed in language, which propogates harmful beliefs. You know, saying women or asians can’t drive well, saying you wouldn’t want to have a woman perform surgery on you, saying a guy hugging another guy is gay… obviously those are pretty shitty things to say.
Im politically Old left, workers unions, reasonable climate policies, inclusiveness where it is necessary and reasonable and so on, these people in the “woke” spectrum are usually the people that pipeline people to the right with their unintelligent and crazy behavior.
Yeah nah man you’re waffling. There is no “old left”. The left is more or less the same philisophy-wise; there are socially conservative people and socially progressive people – you, my friend, seem to be describing yourself as a mildly socially conservative social democrat. There’s nothing more old or authentic or original about your philosophy – it’s just German centrism.
And woke is just a good fitting therm for the new left idiots, because these people made this therm about themselves.
The usage of the term in the social progressive context literally dates back to the 1930s. That’s almost certainly older than even your parents. How can you claim that that’s characteristic of the “new left” when it’s been around in use longer than your country’s even existed?
It’s just the difference between the “leftists” who are okay with an ethnostate perpetrating an ethnic cleansing (Israel), and the leftists who aren’t.
Far as I’m concerned it’s ethnostate vs ethnostate. Although I question how a diverse country can be an ethnostate.
The ruling party of Israel and most of the other parties in the government are descended from organizations that literally described themselves as terrorists, and butchered the population of Palestine since the early 1900s.
Both regions have these roots though, with Gaza still having a terrorist organisation as its government.
And, get this, the dominating organizations during this era aligned themselves with Nazism – the Lehi (a faction of the Irgun, modern day Likud – Netanyahu’s party and Israel’s dominant party) proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany as they saw Great Britain as a larger threat to Jews.
again, both regions did. The region at the time was a proxy war between Axis forces and Allies. Israel later sided with Britain, and the Palestinians later sided with the Axis
The area didn’t just go from its population of 90% Muslim and 2% Jewish in 1800, to 81% Muslim and 8% Jewish in 1890, to 32% Jewish in 1947, to 89% Jewish in 1948 (the year the Nakba/ethnic cleansing of Arabs started), using kind words and diplomacy.
Hey! You’re leaving out the UN resolution to establish two states. Jews had to flee Palestine because the League of Arabs declared war on Israel. To this day, Jews still can’t find a home for themselves in arab nations. It was also Palestine and the League of Arabs that refused the two-state resolution. So don’t be implying there were no kind words and diplomacy.
Israelis the weapons to blow up a whole lot of natives.
uhhh, you do realise that Jews were also native to the area, right? Like long before Muslims colonised.
It is a state that is built upon, and cannot exist without, “Jewish supremacy”. It’s in the constitution, it’s in the law, it’s in their flag, it’s in the Muslims & Arabs in the country not having the civil rights of Jews, the entirety of Israel exists specifically to be an ethnostate.
Can you prove this? From what I’ve read about their laws, there’s nothing mentioning jewish supremacy. That is unless you consider the illegal settlements in the West Bank to be legitimate.
Wenn du glaubst, dass die progressiven Ansichten deiner Vergangenheit besser sind als der heutigen progressiven, dann sei es so. Aber das macht dich nicht viel besser als einen Konservativen. Zu glauben dass du zu einer besseren ««alten Linken»» gehörst, weil du nicht akzeptieren kannst, dass alle Menschen soziale Befreiung verdienen, macht dich einfach unreif.
If Ukraine starts bombing noncombatants at hospitals and schools, blocking food and water, and executing journalists I bet people would call that genocide.
My experience on lemmy is vastly improved after blocking lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, hexbear, beehaw, and pawb. Wiped out vast swathes of degenerates from my feed.
Sure, occasionally poking them with a stick can be funny, but if you don’t like your scrolling punctuated with muttering “oh fuck off” under your breath every few minutes – it’s nice.
Beehaw? I’ve had nothing but good interactions with them, personally.
I can’t remember why I blocked them exactly, to be honest, but I remember thinking they were almost as annoying as hexbear users, and I can’t be bothered to go have a second look now to see exactly why. Clearly, I was annoyed with them enough to block them, as the ones I listed above are the only instances I have blocked save for lemmynsfw (which is just because I don’t care for porn in my feed).
Beehaw’s primary identity as an instance is “to be nice to people” which you know what, that’s fine, but personally I think it’s super annoying lol. Also there are some users from that instance who were also outspoken and especially annoying but I don’t see them commenting as much these days.
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Beehaw has been… difficult. If you disagree that something is *phobia or *phobic then it’s a quick way to get them mad at you.
I remember somebody ( person A) getting especially angry because another person (person B) used the pronoun “them” to refer to person A. It was pointed out that not every client shows the pronouns beside the username and still it was considered *phobic.
That sounds frustrating. I understand what their instance is all about and I want to believe they’re mostly decent people who sometimes wrongly lash out at perceived slights.
They’re alright now, but they used to be pretty bad. No negativity allowed whatsoever.
I remember there was some sort of thread asking disabled people if they like being disabled…
and the people who said no were banned for being negative lol
Beehaw? The most adorable place in the lemmy space IMO!
If you don’t like them fine, but please reconsider lumpung them together with the crazy fascist ones please 😊
??? (Mostly) Nothing wrong with Beehaw or pawb.social, most are good people around those parts
now I might not remember why I blocked beehaw but I know damn well the animal fetishists are not “good people”, thank you
and just from your instance name… yeah that’s another one for the list
Animal fetishists?! You mean… furries?
I think we have a relict from the mid-2000s in our midst, back when half the internet was in open war with furries.
Guy uses “degenerates” straight and is complaining about commies, progressives and furries. 90% they’re a cryptofash.
I’m too lazy to look through their comment history at the moment, but you’re probably right.
You dont have to look far. Literally just this thread
Hating on beehaw makes perfect sense, then. Fascists and an empathy-negating neurosis, generally due to early childhood trauma in that area, name a more iconic duo. All those other things (commies, progressives, furries) actually have their fascist versions but hippies? Forget it. Incompatible in principle.
There’s a lot of weird hippie cults, including Charles Manson’s. If your hippieism leans towards the aesthetic then it’s perfectly compatible with fascism. Not to mention the weird Californian ideology that isn’t straight fascism but sure is authoritarian in its anti-authoritarianism.
Fascism is by definition syncretic. It eats whatever it finds and makes more of itself, with rigid power structures and might makes right logic. Every large enough movement can have a fascist version of itself.
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Thank you for pointing this out, I was quite surprised it got this many upvotes.
I know, it must be hard for kids to understand a time before they were born, but don’t worry, someday you’ll be explaining the facts of life to youngsters yourself.
Man, I was in the trenches of online forums at the time. I was PART of those times. I just eventually grew up past being an edgy preteen.
The lolocaust was specifically about furries that liked to spam furry porn and be obnoxious. They deserved what they got. https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Something_Awful
so just to recap, you gained a newfound appreciation for animal fetishists, and you… think that’s a sign of maturity and growth?
okay then. I’ll just leave you to it then, champ, you have fun with that <3
Lord.
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NGL I thought my instance had gone off the rails while I wasn’t looking for a second there. Getting lumped in with hexbear and .ml is pretty rough. Beehaw? Good company imho.
The worst part is his comments were upvoted a lot when I commented that… there’s probably a few chaps who have the impression that everyone on the furry instances is the reincarnation of Lenin now lol
Yeah… especially considering our general stances on things, that inversion really sucks. Hopefully this isn’t a common opinion.
Reading that actually made me double-take and check the modlogs. It was so…. Confident.
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You read text, you don’t listen to it
You must have come from 10 years ago because nobody has opinions as cringe and childish as “furries bad zoophiles” anymore
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Nah that’s not how the world works buddy. Only children think in binaries.
You asked two questions and tell me to give you one answer. Nice try senator.
Also a majority of things require answers more complex than a simple “yes” or “no”, because the world isn’t the simple land that it seems to be in your head. However, luckily for you, these questions do have relatively simple yes-or-no answers.
To your first question: No, furries don’t by default sexualize animals. It’s weird that you even come to the conclusion that they do.
To your second question: Also no. You can argue that furry art is usually depictions of animals, and that furry porn sexualizes those depictions, but even that’s pretty shaky because anthropromorphized beings that have a vague resemblance to animals are hard to argue as being similar enough to the real thing that it’s “sexualizing (a depiction of) [animal]”. I wouldn’t call you out on saying that furry drawings are depictions of animals, even though I think that’s flawed logic, but it’s not even remotely similar to “sexualizing animals” (e.g. zoophilia)
also this
Unluckily for you, my friend, I took a screenshot when you posted that since I had a feeling you would edit your mistake out. You may be playing chess in 4 dimensions, but I’m playing chess in 7 dimensions. Get pranked lol
As someone with some insight: furries tend to have body dysphoria. They really don’t feel great about their body and want escapism.
Personally I had a very “you are dirty and disgusting” type upbringing from my christian parents that thought shame would be a good motivator.
its okay for someone to edit their comment to correct mistakes.
Goodness, that’s an awful lot of words, champ! In fact, I think that’s more than one – and seems to have lots of mental gymnastics to boot, from what I skimmed – silly, don’t you know how to read directions? Here, let me help you out.
Now, you go and have a little reading time, I’m gonna give you a break from my inbox. Come back when you’ve learned to count to one, and try again.
pretty sure animals aren’t asexual
I don’t know, yiffit folks seem very nice. Not always safe for work, though.
I think my instance already bans beehaw, though. I forget why, unfortunately.
Didn’t beehaw defederate from lemmy.world a year ago because they felt it had a bad influence on itself? Mb not theexact reason’ but something like that scratches my mind
I mean seeing how negative and pissy some sects of the users are on lemmy.world, I can’t really blame them. The technology and gaming community on there are so unhelpful and the comments are just variations of “enshittification” or “modern gaming/tech sucks” which…yeah we know, we’re on Lemmy.
At least Beehaw users, in my experience, actually read the articles and discuss the topics at hand. Even if there is a lower userbase to engage with, I end up learning something new or productive.
Beehaw wanted to be its own thing and didn’t trust outside users to follow their specific rules. So they defederated to be their own network, which was a really bad idea. Though it contributed a lot to SJW’s growth, so that’s something
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I did say something controversial (apparently) on grad and simply asked what I said wrong and having an open mind showed that they can interact normally… But Hexbear is just straight up poisoning me lol
I recently added midwest.social to my list.
I guess I understand, but I dig through all the shit to bring my starving people fresh maymay each day anyway.
Its not much, but I do it for those ungrateful bastards just the same.
You blocked lemmy.ml? Why
Beehaw and pawb are peculiar blocks but .ml can be a bit trying. Many users have been swept into, what they believe to be, militant communist zeitgeist. Their opinions exist within an echo-chamber surreptitiously safeguarded by their extremely banhappy admins. Mind that it would be acceptable if they were to openly offer their rule list, including “do not criticize communism, communists, communist countries, China, Russia, or the war in Ukraine” but they refuse to do so given how unpopular and weird that would be if it were visible to their users. If you care to verify, post a picture of tank man or suggest that Russia should leave Ukraine in one of their communities and enjoy your two week vacation from .ml.
Users range from confused and corralled to militant and chronically angry and many don’t understand why. Frankly, most .ml users are fine but their communities are breeding grounds for frustration, delusions, and misinformation. The prime example of admin sanctioned crazy goes by the name of yogthos if you, once again, wish to verify.
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Wow, your reasoning is uh… well it sure is interesting… can’t say I see where you’re coming from. lemmy.world is like the most conservative instance I can think of
idunno if criticism of Israel can automatically be antisemitic when they’re a diverse country of different ethnicities and religions.
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That’s because you’re an idiot conservative
Conservatism vs liberalism bas nothing to do with someone’s moral compass you dipshit
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If someone turns fascist because their skins so think they can’t handle a random from the Internet insulting them: that’s because they were human trash to begin with
Nice projection
More projection. It’s so cute how mad you ignorant fascist fucks get when challenged by a basic insult
Watch your blood pressure, I’m sure someone as terminally online as you probably has issues with that kind of thing
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Click name, swipe right slightly on all comments. Took like 30s while I was on the shitter to help lower the spread of your garbage. Takes way more work for you to look into it than it does me to do it
And I enjoy angering pathetic fascists like you by ignoring your worthless demands
This is such a woke comment, wow. You are so woke wtf how do you get so woke woke?
If your worldview is so fragile that a couple mean comments turn you into a hateful shit bag rightoid, you were never on the left to start with, you’re just looking for some #walkaway excuse
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” makes you look like the child you are.
Take your own advice, and also go touch some fucking grass.
Pray tell, which of the instances have you spotted that are less leftist than lemmy.world? The only ones I can imagine are lemmy.ca and midwest.social, but that’s just a guess.
Also what do you mean by “new left” movement? There are a lot of left movements, but not really any that I can think of that diverge greatly from previous left movements.
“Woke” doesn’t mean anything. It’s a vague, catch-all term used by chuds, for “lefties” and people who want social equality usually, which is obviously not a bad thing, so you must not be using it in that sense.
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I have not seen a SINGLE one of those instances. And my instance federates with literally everything except for like 3 instances. I’m not saying you’re making things up, but outside of extreme fringe communities, almost every (large) Lemmy instance is as “woke” or more “woke” than lemmy.world. lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemm.ee, lemmy.ml, probably even sh.itjust.works (that one’s debatable), lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz… I can go on and on. Leftism is way more prevalent in most of those. And yes, the kind that says you shouldn’t displace millions or be sexist.
A large chunk of the left has always been anti-Zionism and pro-self-determination, because Israel is literally modern-day colonization. This isn’t anything new. The official government of Palestine is full-on Socialist, and it was founded 80 years ago (with other major leftist groups in Palestine dating back even before the Israeli colonization). It’s just the difference between the “leftists” who are okay with an ethnostate perpetrating an ethnic cleansing (Israel), and the leftists who aren’t.
For a lot of people that’s part of the reason, but most of the reason is they’re against the displacement, ethnic cleansing, and genocide of Palestinians that started during the colonization of the area by modern-day Israelis. The ruling party of Israel and most of the other parties in the government are descended from organizations that literally described themselves as terrorists, and butchered the population of Palestine since the early 1900s. And, get this, the dominating organizations during this era aligned themselves with Nazism – the Lehi (a faction of the Irgun, modern day Likud – Netanyahu’s party and Israel’s dominant party) proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany as they saw Great Britain as a larger threat to Jews. They described themselves and their members, I’m not even joking, as “National Bolshevik terrorists” (nazbols/communist nazis). Go figure.
Many of the members of government actively cheered on or committed genocide, and everyone alive knows someone who participated in the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The area didn’t just go from its population of 90% Muslim and 2% Jewish in 1800, to 81% Muslim and 8% Jewish in 1890, to 32% Jewish in 1947, to 89% Jewish in 1948 (the year the Nakba/ethnic cleansing of Arabs started), using kind words and diplomacy. (Jewish Virtual Library). Europeans encouraged Jews to colonize the area (which hadn’t been populated by Jews in large numbers since the 5th century) in order to get them out of the country (the early British Zionists in particular were keen on taking all the Jews in the UK and shipping them off to Israel, as antisemitism was the norm in western Europe until the whole World War 2 thing), and gave those newfound Israelis the weapons to blow up a whole lot of natives. These migrations were simply called Aliyah, and they happened in a few waves.
It is a state that is built upon, and cannot exist without, “Jewish supremacy”. It’s in the constitution, it’s in the law, it’s in their flag, it’s in the Muslims & Arabs in the country not having the civil rights of Jews, the entirety of Israel exists specifically to be an ethnostate. And the foundation of Israel was by parties who aligned themselves with Nazi Germany, and who took great inspiration from them.
When you’re “leftist” – that is, when you’re for abolishing unjust hierarchies and moving towards social equality – the concept of Israel and its former and current actions is inherently counter to your ideology. There’s absolutely no getting around that.
What words are these, exactly? If they’re not slurs then I don’t see what you’re talking about. Unless you’re referring to people talking about microaggressions – which is the linguistic phenomenon of biases against certain social groups being conveyed in language, which propogates harmful beliefs. You know, saying women or asians can’t drive well, saying you wouldn’t want to have a woman perform surgery on you, saying a guy hugging another guy is gay… obviously those are pretty shitty things to say.
Yeah nah man you’re waffling. There is no “old left”. The left is more or less the same philisophy-wise; there are socially conservative people and socially progressive people – you, my friend, seem to be describing yourself as a mildly socially conservative social democrat. There’s nothing more old or authentic or original about your philosophy – it’s just German centrism.
The usage of the term in the social progressive context literally dates back to the 1930s. That’s almost certainly older than even your parents. How can you claim that that’s characteristic of the “new left” when it’s been around in use longer than your country’s even existed?
Far as I’m concerned it’s ethnostate vs ethnostate. Although I question how a diverse country can be an ethnostate.
Both regions have these roots though, with Gaza still having a terrorist organisation as its government.
again, both regions did. The region at the time was a proxy war between Axis forces and Allies. Israel later sided with Britain, and the Palestinians later sided with the Axis
Hey! You’re leaving out the UN resolution to establish two states. Jews had to flee Palestine because the League of Arabs declared war on Israel. To this day, Jews still can’t find a home for themselves in arab nations. It was also Palestine and the League of Arabs that refused the two-state resolution. So don’t be implying there were no kind words and diplomacy.
uhhh, you do realise that Jews were also native to the area, right? Like long before Muslims colonised.
Can you prove this? From what I’ve read about their laws, there’s nothing mentioning jewish supremacy. That is unless you consider the illegal settlements in the West Bank to be legitimate.
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Wenn du glaubst, dass die progressiven Ansichten deiner Vergangenheit besser sind als der heutigen progressiven, dann sei es so. Aber das macht dich nicht viel besser als einen Konservativen. Zu glauben dass du zu einer besseren ««alten Linken»» gehörst, weil du nicht akzeptieren kannst, dass alle Menschen soziale Befreiung verdienen, macht dich einfach unreif.
You’re one of those that believe any criticism of Israel is antisemitic, aren’t you?
Fuck Israel, Jews are cool, and fuck you.
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Oh, OK. You’re completely unhinged and have added nothing to the discourse.
I’m going to stoop to your level before not engaging further: I’m not a Nazi, you’re a Nazi! :p
you’re a nazi! and you’re a nazi!
If Ukraine starts bombing noncombatants at hospitals and schools, blocking food and water, and executing journalists I bet people would call that genocide.
What’s your beef with seahorse?
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“I don’t care”
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lol
I love that guy